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The player who bid 5C is an A pro, playing with a client, who hesitates often. Is 5C a reasonable call?
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Is this reasonable?
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Posted 2011-February-20, 00:58
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The player who bid 5C is an A pro, playing with a client, who hesitates often. Is 5C a reasonable call?
The player who bid 5C is an A pro, playing with a client, who hesitates often. Is 5C a reasonable call?
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Posted 2011-February-20, 01:32
No way.
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Posted 2011-February-20, 02:14
No. While there may be hands that might pass and then act this certainly isn't one of them.
I'm not sure there is a LA other than pass, but any call but pass has to be indicated by the tank and pass certainly seems LA to me, so I'd roll back to 4♠ if that scores better for E/W.
I'm not sure there is a LA other than pass, but any call but pass has to be indicated by the tank and pass certainly seems LA to me, so I'd roll back to 4♠ if that scores better for E/W.
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Posted 2011-February-20, 02:46
It seems obvious to roll back to 4♠.
As to whether the call is reasonable:
I'm sure there are situations where I'd bid it. (Certain type of opponents, making the 4♠ bid with a certain demeanor.) Whether that makes it reasonable or not, is not for me to judge.
As a TD I would be very hesitant to give a PP or the like. (But us Europeans don't go for the blood as much as I believe ACBL'ers do.)
As to whether the call is reasonable:
I'm sure there are situations where I'd bid it. (Certain type of opponents, making the 4♠ bid with a certain demeanor.) Whether that makes it reasonable or not, is not for me to judge.
As a TD I would be very hesitant to give a PP or the like. (But us Europeans don't go for the blood as much as I believe ACBL'ers do.)
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
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Posted 2011-February-20, 03:48
the UI suggests double more than 5♣ but still pass is the LA that should be taken.
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Posted 2011-February-20, 18:53
5♣ can be a reasonable call if the guy was walking the dog. Any conclusion without knowing his hand and just looking at auction is just a guess here.
I dunno what others meant by saying "should be rolled back to 4♠" but i doubt TD has the right to roll back any bid. He can adjust later if he believes LA was to pass over 4♠. If he decides to adjust later, i dont know ACBL but EBL and WBF has no sense of humour about using the UI. Pair or if it is a teammatch his team may get ethics penalty for that (arround 2 VP if i am not wrong unless it is changed )
I dunno what others meant by saying "should be rolled back to 4♠" but i doubt TD has the right to roll back any bid. He can adjust later if he believes LA was to pass over 4♠. If he decides to adjust later, i dont know ACBL but EBL and WBF has no sense of humour about using the UI. Pair or if it is a teammatch his team may get ethics penalty for that (arround 2 VP if i am not wrong unless it is changed )
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Posted 2011-February-20, 19:05
I agree that 5C is not a reasonable call. I would assess a procedural penalty.
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Posted 2011-February-20, 20:01
Definitely not reasonable.
Seldom would I issue a procedural penalty. If this was deliberate unless this was a very inexperienced and naive player this is not a matter of procedure it is much more serious. We are told it was an "A pro".
Sadly i think there are too many players who are willing to take advantage in similar situations especially against weaker opponents.
Seldom would I issue a procedural penalty. If this was deliberate unless this was a very inexperienced and naive player this is not a matter of procedure it is much more serious. We are told it was an "A pro".
Sadly i think there are too many players who are willing to take advantage in similar situations especially against weaker opponents.
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Posted 2011-February-20, 20:41
*** Dammit partner, don't do that.! ***
After game raise this 5C looks much more
appealing than immediate action.
I want to be free of UI in making this bid.
Now I don't think any TD/committee is going to see the merits,
even with the actual results of 5C showing.
After game raise this 5C looks much more
appealing than immediate action.
I want to be free of UI in making this bid.
Now I don't think any TD/committee is going to see the merits,
even with the actual results of 5C showing.
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