[jillybean]

Hi, we play 2wgt where

1M:2M
2M+1 asks partner in which suit she would accept a gt and

1M:2M
3x is a short suit game try.

So in this sequence

1♥:2♥
2♠ responders options are

2N - I would accept a gt in spades
3♣ - accepting a gt in clubs
3♦ - accepting a gt in diamonds
3♥ - I would not accept a game try in any suit
3♠ - ?

Does anyone have any creative meaning for 3♠?

[nigel_k]

Suggestion to play 3NT from opener's side - probably maximum with any 4333 shape.

[relknes]

You could play it as looking for a better fit in spades (ie. responder has 3 hearts and 5+ spades, and a maximum for their 2♥ response). This would seem to be a fairly natural meaning.

[aguahombre]

relknes, on 2011-February-14, 19:56, said:

You could play it as looking for a better fit in spades (ie. responder has 3 hearts and 5+ spades, and a maximum for their 2♥ response). This would seem to be a fairly natural meaning.

yep

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2011-February-14, 19:37, said:

Hi, we play 2wgt where

1M:2M
2M+1 asks partner in which suit she would accept a gt and

1M:2M
3x is a short suit game try.

So in this sequence

1♥:2♥
2♠ responders options are

2N - I would accept a gt in spades
3♣ - accepting a gt in clubs
3♦ - accepting a gt in diamonds
3♥ - I would not accept a game try in any suit
3♠ - ?

Does anyone have any creative meaning for 3♠?

This is really way out there but how about 3s=4 card support in spades?


Just joking this should be lol...easy......3s is just 4 spades.. random cuebids or other random bids is insane!

Too be honest I cannot believe these other answers...

[Siegmund]

All the bids from 3S upwards are SOME kind of "accepting all game tries" bids. Just a question of what further refinement you'd like to add.

In the absence of discussion, I would assume 3NT was an offer to play 3NT instead of 4M, 3S/4m cuebids in case opener had a slam try instead of a game try, and 4M to play. Lots of other (and probably better) agreements are possible.

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2011-February-14, 23:34, said:

This is really way out there but how about 3s=4 card support in spades?


Just joking this should be lol...easy......3s is just 4 spades.. random cuebids or other random bids is insane!

Too be honest I cannot believe these other answers...

How does "3s is just 4 spades" add anything useful to this auction? We have the 2N bid to accept a game try in spades.

[jillybean]

Siegmund, on 2011-February-15, 00:00, said:

Lots of other (and probably better) agreements are possible.

That is what I was hoping for

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2011-February-15, 02:13, said:

How does "3s is just 4 spades" add anything useful to this auction? We have the 2N bid to accept a game try in spades.

so?


per your comments....2nt is very very =confusing per your comments

I mean you can hope for alot but still.....3s over 2s is really basic...not hope

I mean to hope that 3s means many many others is just too confusing.

[Free]

I play something similar, just showing values after the 2M+1 relay. We use 3M as denying any useful values in any sidesuit, which usually means a good trump suit. Easy example AKQ-32-5432-5432.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

So how do you make a short-suit GT in ♠ ?

1♥ - 2♥
??

[manudude03]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-15, 07:06, said:

So how do you make a short-suit GT in ♠ ?

1♥ - 2♥
??

2NT presumably. I usually like to play it the other way round though (and invert 2S and 2NT)

[Free]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-February-15, 07:06, said:

So how do you make a short-suit GT in ♠ ?

1♥ - 2♥
??

These days with a ♥ fit all usual meanings of ♠ and NT are reversed:
...-2♥-2♠ = relay
...-2♥-2NT = SST ♠

...-3♥-3♠ = serious or frivolous
...-3♥-3NT = ♠ control

...-4♥-4♠ = Kickback RKC
...-4♥-4NT = control ♠ or voidwood ♠

...-5♥-5♠ = King ask
...-5♥-5NT = something like 3rd round control ask ♠, depending on the situation

[gwnn]

jillybean, on 2011-February-15, 02:13, said:

How does "3s is just 4 spades" add anything useful to this auction? We have the 2N bid to accept a game try in spades.

2NT just show that you would accept a game try in spades, while not specifying whether you would accept other game tries, also not specifying spade length (you could have Kx, AQx, and so on), 3♠ shows that you would accept any game try and shows spade length, therefore allowing your partnership to play in spades as well as hearts, and also he knows you have a maximum hand if he is interested in slam.

[jillybean]

gwnn, on 2011-February-15, 09:18, said:

2NT just show that you would accept a game try in spades, while not specifying whether you would accept other game tries, also not specifying spade length (you could have Kx, AQx, and so on), 3♠ shows that you would accept any game try and shows spade length, therefore allowing your partnership to play in spades as well as hearts, and also he knows you have a maximum hand if he is interested in slam.

3S accepting any game try, showing spade length and a fit for partners first suit sounds slammish and would be a request for partner to cue?
Could you give me an example of a hand that would bid this way after raising partners 1H to 2H.

[gwnn]

AKxx Qxx xx xxxx I suppose.

3♠ just shows four spades in case partner has four.

[jillybean]

gwnn, on 2011-February-15, 10:09, said:

AKxx Qxx xx xxxx I suppose.

3♠ just shows four spades in case partner has four.

I'm confused. Wouldn't this hand bid 2N/2S, accepting a game try in spades? I'm not accepting any game try with this hand.

[gwnn]

I am it's a chunky maximum. Anyway, two options
-if you can think of a hand that accepts any game try, then you can also probably think of such a hand with 4 spades (perhaps you can only think of such a hand if it has a 5 card suit - in this case maybe 3S should show a 5 card spade suit)
-if you can't think of a hand that accepts any game try, then 3S is an impossible bid - you should not bid higher than 3H if you can't accept all game tries.

[nigel_k]

mike777, on 2011-February-14, 23:34, said:

This is really way out there but how about 3s=4 card support in spades?


Just joking this should be lol...easy......3s is just 4 spades.. random cuebids or other random bids is insane!

Too be honest I cannot believe these other answers...

We were asked for creative meanings, not the meaning we would assume undiscussed.

I like an immediate 4♦ by responder after any game try as an accept with four cards in the other major. Using it after both 1♥ and 1♠ and after both a first step game try and a short suit try makes it easier to remember. It doesn't deal with the case where you wish to accept only if there is a fit in the other major. But it is hard to squeeze that into a two way game try structure.