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Posted 2011-February-24, 06:27

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When opener has 10-12 points, the system performs simmilarly to Fantunes

I had another thought about the setup of this system. One of the design goals is that the system should perform similarly to Fantunes 2-level openings, you don't want to be worse of than Fantunes when you have a 10-12 hand (or just slightly).

The thing is, Fantunes 2-level openings can gain for several reasons. One of these reasons is that their 2-level openings preempt the opponents and sometimes put opps to a guess or push them too high. I even believe this is one of the main advantages of the openings!

Suppose I have a good suit and a nice hand.
- Fantunes open 2, we have to overcall 3 or 4, or Dbl and rebid later on. With a little bit weaker hand, we might have to stretch and bid 3 anyway to avoid being stolen blind.
- You on the other hand open 1m, we can simply overcall 1 with most hands. When the auction comes back, we get to Dbl, bid a new suit, rebid my suit or whatever. My hand will be described a lot better.

Another, maybe better example: suppose we have 16-17HCP balanced.
- Fantunes open 2X, we have to overcall 2NT promissing something like 15-18HCP. Invites are gone, all partner can do is hope he makes the right decision on borderline hands.
- You open 1m so we can easily overcall 1NT. We're a level lower, and partner still has the possibility to invite in many cases. Plus, what if the auction goes 1m-1NT-p-3NT-all pass: opener's suit is unknown and his partner must lead.

So one of your basic design goals is flawed bigtime. Their 2-level openings gain slightly or break even, but if you take away one of the biggest advantages, they'll cost.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 10:48

I have, for the moment, given up on this opening system. It poses too many problems for me to handle at this stage, and seems more complicated than it's worth. I still am interested in the concept of using both 1 and 1 as different artificial openings, and I do think that it would pair best with 4 card majors and something like the 2m bids presented here, but how to best use that pair of artificial bids is beyond me for the time being.
Thank you all for your input. It saved me a lot of time in coming to this conclusion.
The time spent here has not been a waste for me, by the way. I usually play a prety simple version of 2/1, since that is what most everyone knows. I may try to incorperate some of what I learned here into that system. The Fanturnes 2 bids continue to fascinate me for their constructive value, and I find I am liking a weak NT more and more. It would be prety easy to tack these on to a 2/1 system, passing the 9-13 club preempts to make room for the strong 2, resulting in Roth-Stone sorts of 1 bids. This really dosn't belong in a "Non-natural systems" discussion board, however, so I will refrain from posting a detailed write up.
Thanks again to all who contributed.
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