Suit quality for 1s-1nt-2c-2h

#1 Stephen Tu

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Posted 2011-January-17, 19:26

Uncontested, 2/1gf. No Bart or any other related gadgets. Assume not strong enough for 2nt rebid.

What's the worst heart suit you'd bid 1♠-1nt-2♣-2♥ with, holding 1-5-4-3 shape?
2542? (if you ever do this with 5 bagger/doubleton spade)
2533? (ditto)

Would you ever bid a 5 bagger heart holding 1-5-3-4?

#2 mgoetze

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Posted 2011-January-17, 19:33

Hum... I guess I might bid 2♥ with KQTxx on a 1543 shape. But with 25xx shape I'd rather give preference to 2♠. No idea whether this is right.

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Posted 2011-January-17, 20:57

HHxxx probably.

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Posted 2011-January-17, 21:52

Shape is far more relevant to me than suit quality. I would never bid 2H with 2S5H, while I can't think of anything better to do with x xxxxx Axxxx Ax. If I was 15(43) then I would look as much at the strength of my hand as the strength of my heart suit.

It's a fairly horrible sequence. I really like my pet methods, I think they are miles better than bidding naturally here but I am happier still playing 1NT as NF.

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Posted 2011-January-23, 19:48

I would bid 2♥ on 1543 with a decent suit and pref to 2♠ on the other two.

Bart would be nice on the 25xx ones...

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Posted 2011-January-24, 08:03

This is a judgement matter, and not always an easy one. Sometimes you have to bid hearts with a 5-card broken suit, others with better hearts you should show preference for one of opener's suits, etc.

Some of the posts above give examples.

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Posted 2011-January-25, 00:26

2H is certainly closer to "shows six" than "promises six", but I am extremely reluctant to do this with any shape other than 1552.

I don't think I will ever do it with 2 spades or with 1534. 1543 after 1NTForcing is a really tough question. Probably depends on quality of my clubs as well as my hearts. I want to say KQ9xx+; maybe it's right down to say QT9xx+ when my clubs are only xxx. Intermediates do matter, so I don't just want to say "HHxxx".

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Posted 2011-January-25, 08:50

If I have two spades, even xx, then I don't have a problem, I just rebid 2S. If I have one spade and three clubs then I have a problem and I do the best that I can. With a strong club holding and a weak five card heart holding I don't think it is crazy to pass 2C. Partner is not guaranteed to hold only three. In a 4-3 fit you want to have strong trumps else it's a disaster so with three small clubs you have to get out of there. Therefore, 2H on more or less anything.
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QT432
KQ42
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I guess I bid 2H. What else?

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