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Big balanced hand, no intermediates SAKxx HAxx DAx CAKxx

Poll: What are your thoughts? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

What are your thoughts?

  1. I will open 2NT (21-22) as I am in range and have the right shape (13 votes [41.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.94%

  2. I will open 2C and rebid 2NT as A & K are undervalued (15 votes [48.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.39%

  3. This is a suit oriented hand, I will open 1C but rebid 2NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. This is a suit oriented hand, I will open 1C but rebid 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. This is a suit oriented hand, I will open 1C and rebid 1S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. This is a suit oriented hand, I will open 1C and rebid 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

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#21 User is offline   luke warm 

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Posted 2004-August-28, 10:13

The_Hog, on Aug 28 2004, 09:45 AM, said:

If you would raise to 3 over a 2N opening you will lose more than you gain Jimmy.
The point is that you have so many controls the hand is too strong for a 2N opening. This hand has a chance for 4S opposite.
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probably right, ron... but vul at imps i'd still do it... i've seen too many 23, 24 hcp hands make 3nt, and the game bonus makes it worth the shot (imho)

as for the hand you posted, how would they find the (possibly making) 4/4 spade game? over 2C i imagine pard bids 2D (or 2H if neg), and if opener bids 2NT i can't see responder looking... but maybe he would.. a zero count opposite a known 23, 24 seems every bit as dangerous as a 21, 22 count opposite paulhar's hypothetical 3 count, maybe moreso since there are no entries even possible

and remember, i'm not even hinting that 2C is wrong or even that it isn't the best bid (too many of you, good players all, would bid it... so saying that would be *extremely* arrogant and dogmatic), just that i'd probably open 2NT
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Posted 2004-August-28, 16:57

You can bid 2C-2D-2NT or open 2NT. I find the hand borderline enough for psychological considerations to outweight technical ones.
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Posted 2004-August-29, 10:28

At MP I like opening 2NT, which is only costly in most fields when partner passes and 3NT makes.

At IMPs you have to consider either 3NT makes or 2NT goes down, you should be in 3NT whenever possible. For slam purposes it is imperative to show the big balanced hand so 2♣ - 2♦ - 2NT.

Opening 1♣ and rebidding 2♠ at IMPs is imho ridiculous. Partner will stay out of ♠ slams because you cannot have so many controls and get into bad ♣ slams because you should have FIVE ♣ for this auction.

A simpler solution is to play Polish Club.

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Posted 2004-August-29, 14:42

Gerben47, on Aug 29 2004, 11:28 AM, said:

A simpler solution is to play Polish Club.

I don't know Polish Club, but I would be interested to know how it helps with this hand.
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Posted 2004-August-29, 17:32

In PC
1C 1D 1N = 19-21,
1C 1D 2N = 22/23
1C 1D 2D = GF

Presumably Gerben is suggesting the second of these auctions. I don't really see an advantage here over Standard especially if you are playing Kokish over 2C.

Despite the result on the hand I would still argue that this is far to control rich to open with a simple 2N.
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