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Posted 2010-December-10, 17:48
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Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
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Posted 2010-December-10, 18:54
Double -- The least of evils, 3♣ is an underbid, and anything else is simply not an option IMO. Tougher problem after 3♦ by partner, but I'd pass.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 00:28
Don't really understand mtvesuvius' post here.
If this hand is a game force, you can't double and then pass 3♦. Besides not being game, this will often be a 5-2 fit (maybe even a 4-2 fit). Certainly you could double and then bid 3♠, or bid 3♠ directly.
If this hand is not a game force, then 3♣ is a spot-on description, showing extras but NF. My preference is the 3♣ call; 3NT will not make opposite a pretty good partner hand like ♠Kxx ♥Jx ♦KQxx ♣xxxx. You might make 5♣ (or even 4♥), but good luck getting there if you start with double or 3♠.
If this hand is a game force, you can't double and then pass 3♦. Besides not being game, this will often be a 5-2 fit (maybe even a 4-2 fit). Certainly you could double and then bid 3♠, or bid 3♠ directly.
If this hand is not a game force, then 3♣ is a spot-on description, showing extras but NF. My preference is the 3♣ call; 3NT will not make opposite a pretty good partner hand like ♠Kxx ♥Jx ♦KQxx ♣xxxx. You might make 5♣ (or even 4♥), but good luck getting there if you start with double or 3♠.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 05:20
Double, not evil at all. Will force to game. Good/Bad by partner would be useful.
I would bid 3C on hands that are much weaker, and typically more shapely.
I would bid 3C on hands that are much weaker, and typically more shapely.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 07:08
Double is the bid, 3♣ can be bid on 11 counts
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Posted 2010-December-13, 10:19
jillybean, on 2010-December-10, 17:48, said:
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looked at the auction funny (I saw 1♥ (1NT) 2♠ (P). So for the real auction I could live with either X or 3♣
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Posted 2010-December-13, 11:18
Han, 2N is scrambling here I'd think?
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Posted 2010-December-13, 11:34
Double for me.
3♣ is just competitive and weaker.
3♣ is just competitive and weaker.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 13:27
3♣ for me: happy its mps where missing the game is only a board.
I don't like any of my choices, but double simply begs for 3♦ over which the only thing I can be sure of is that we're worse off than had I bid 3♣.
If partner bids 3♦ over my 3♣, I will know he has 6+ and I will try a gentle probe with 3♠.
Note that if he bids 3♥ over 3♣, this should be weak...a limit raise should bid 4♥.
This is not a gf. I don't actually think it was ever a gf...I was going to bid 2N had rho passed, not 3♣. So I won't let their bidding, which devalues my hand, make me upgrade it, and I can't bid 2N anymore.
This would be a lot tougher at imps, especially red.
I don't like any of my choices, but double simply begs for 3♦ over which the only thing I can be sure of is that we're worse off than had I bid 3♣.
If partner bids 3♦ over my 3♣, I will know he has 6+ and I will try a gentle probe with 3♠.
Note that if he bids 3♥ over 3♣, this should be weak...a limit raise should bid 4♥.
This is not a gf. I don't actually think it was ever a gf...I was going to bid 2N had rho passed, not 3♣. So I won't let their bidding, which devalues my hand, make me upgrade it, and I can't bid 2N anymore.
This would be a lot tougher at imps, especially red.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 14:23
mikeh, on 2010-December-13, 13:27, said:
3♣ for me: happy its mps where missing the game is only a board.
I don't like any of my choices, but double simply begs for 3♦ over which the only thing I can be sure of is that we're worse off than had I bid 3♣.
I don't like any of my choices, but double simply begs for 3♦ over which the only thing I can be sure of is that we're worse off than had I bid 3♣.
I don't get this comment, I wouldn't know I was worse off until I saw the full hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 15:36
han, on 2010-December-13, 14:23, said:
I don't get this comment, I wouldn't know I was worse off until I saw the full hand.
sorry...too many literalists here, I guess. Too bad there isn't a smiley to indicate intentional use of hyperbole....I would have used it. I had hoped that it was obvious.
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