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#1 User is offline   gordontd 

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Posted 2010-December-09, 07:20

♠ A Q 9
♥ K Q 10
♦ A 6
♣ A Q J 7 3


MPs, 2nd in, NV vs Vul

(P) - 1♣* - (1♥) - P
(P) - 1NT - (P) - 2♦
(P) - ?

1♣ was Polish
1NT rebid showed 19-21 (yes, you know you have one more point than that)
2♦ in principle is a transfer, but because of the overcall you think it must be natural
You are playing with a fairly new partner and have gaps in your agreements

What do you bid now?
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Posted 2010-December-09, 07:29

Pass. Partner signs off. Btw why is it 19-21? What am I supposed to do with 18? Would a 1NT opening be 16-18?
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Posted 2010-December-09, 08:06

I would consider passing and 2♥, but I would bid 2NT.

Depends a little on the strength of, or perhaps my faith in, my partner. Would he (ab)use this sequence to ask if I have a good heart stop?
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Posted 2010-December-09, 08:54

Presuming you play transfers over a 1N overcall, what do you play a transfer to opener's suit as after partner has overcalled 1N ?

Many pairs will have an agreement for this and this sequence will be the same.

Do you have stayman and a transfer to ♦ available over 1N ?
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Posted 2010-December-09, 09:56

I would not pass. I would bid 2♥ and see what happened from there.
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Posted 2010-December-09, 10:20

View Postjeremy69, on 2010-December-09, 09:56, said:

I would not pass. I would bid 2♥ and see what happened from there.

...and if your partner then rebid 3♦?
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Posted 2010-December-09, 10:25

I would probably bid 3NT (after 2♦) because I have more than 19-21 and more than a ♥ stop. (I would assume I am playing "system on" here.)

After 2♥-3♦-, I would still probably bid 3NT.

This post has been edited by RMB1: 2010-December-09, 10:28

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Posted 2010-December-09, 11:21

View Postgordontd, on 2010-December-09, 07:20, said:

2♦ in principle is a transfer, but because of the overcall you think it must be natural


No I don't, I think it must be takeout of hearts. So I bid 3♣.
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Posted 2010-December-09, 11:58

I bid 2♥ and hope to know what is going on when next it is my turn to call. I do not rule out the possibility of not getting another turn to call, the 1♥ overcall may have been a psyche.

But, if 2♦ is in principle a transfer, I complete the transfer. I take "in principle a transfer" to mean that there are no partnership agreements about the auction (1♥)-1N-(P)-2♦ (or similar) which would suggest another principle to be in play.

I do not try to do something clever to make up for my apparent underbid of 1N, though I will, of course, accept all invitations that partner might make.
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Posted 2010-December-09, 12:22

View Postgordontd, on 2010-December-09, 07:20, said:

MPs, 2nd in, NV vs Vul
♠ A Q 9 ♥ K Q 10 ♦ A 6 ♣ A Q J 7 3
(P) - 1♣* - (1♥) - P
(P) - 1NT - (P) - 2♦
(P) - ?
1♣ was Polish
1NT rebid showed 19-21 (yes, you know you have one more point than that)
2♦ in principle is a transfer, but because of the overcall you think it must be natural
You are playing with a fairly new partner and have gaps in your agreements
What do you bid now?
IMO 2♥ = 10, 3♥ = 7, 3♣ = 5. _P = 1.
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