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Squeeze Classification Is there such a thing as a Fratricidal Criss-Cross Squeeze?
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Posted 2011-February-08, 17:16
On this hand I had a pseudo-fratricidal-criss cross squeeze. It struck me while playing the hand that this couldn't be a sure thing since the opponent decided which suit to lead (in general) and so it should never be more than just "pseudo". But I was wondering if the squeeze fiends had thought about this or considered the possibility.
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Posted 2011-February-08, 17:19
It is just a pseudo squeeze really, West could have chucked diamonds without cost. When a squeeze like that occurs for real, it's called a Suicide Squeeze I believe.
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Posted 2011-February-08, 17:36
manudude03, on 2011-February-08, 17:19, said:
It is just a pseudo squeeze really, West could have chucked diamonds without cost. When a squeeze like that occurs for real, it's called a Suicide Squeeze I believe.
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Yes, I know it was just a "pseudo" squeeze (see OP). I don't know if this is always called Suicide, or Fratricide, or if they are the same thing. My question is whether it is possible to have a criss-cross squeeze in a suicide situation. This one is such a squeeze, but is only "pseudo", and it strikes me that if such a non-pseudo squeeze position existed, it would be interesting.
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Posted 2011-February-08, 17:58
I don't think a suicide criss-cross squeeze can exist. The essence of a criss-cross squeeze is that you have to choose whether to cash an honor in hand or in dummy first. This can't work when an opponent is on lead.
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Posted 2011-February-08, 18:28
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-February-08, 18:33
gnasher, on 2011-February-08, 18:28, said:
That's great! You take care of the "not having the lead" issue that cherdano mentioned by having 2 high honors in each hand. Very cute!
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Posted 2011-February-11, 06:35
The lead could just as easily be in either N or South - they can play a diamond themselves.
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Squeezes where the squeeze card is a loser are basically magic imo.
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Posted 2011-February-11, 07:48
oh ignore that. i was talking bollocks - east has no clubs to cut declarer's entry.
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