[fuburules3]

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Bidding goes

P-P-3D-?

What do you bid here?

What do your various bids show?

[mgoetze]

I am unfortunately a bit too strong for 3♥, and don't have enough hearts to unilaterally bid 4♥. I will double, raising 3♥ or 4♣ and converting 3♠ to 3NT.

You can't always get these right... sometimes preempts just work.

[pooltuna]

mgoetze, on 2010-November-15, 12:27, said:

I am unfortunately a bit too strong for 3♥, and don't have enough hearts to unilaterally bid 4♥. I will double, raising 3♥ or 4♣ and converting 3♠ to 3NT.

You can't always get these right... sometimes preempts just work.

general amen!

but what are you doing over 4♠ besides saying "YUCK" or some phonetical near equivalent

[mtvesuvius]

I double. 3N is a close second, but it's right to be playing in a suit contract much too often IMO. I pass if partner bids 4♠. I bid 3N over 3♠, and correct to 4♥ otherwise.

[fuburules3]

What would people bid if sequence continued 5D-P-P-?

If you X, what kind of hands should partner be taking out with?

Actual auction it went X-P-5S-P-5NT-P-6H-P-P-P down 2

[luke warm]

do i have this right? it went (p) p (3♦) x (p) 5♠ (p) to you? if so, was 5NT to play or asking for another suit?

[han]

I would bid 3NT, 4H crossed my mind.

[karlson]

I would go 3n, it seems like it will probably be a sensible contract.

[FrancesHinden]

I don't like 3NT because we are off shape and too strong (I could cope with one or the other).

I double, planning to pass 4S and bid 3NT over 3S. Partner usually won't bid 4S without at least 5 of them, he'll show a two-suiter (via 4D) with 4-4 in spades and clubs, or 5-4 in the majors.

I don't quite understand your auction: After 3D x P 5S I would bid 6NT.

[fuburules3]

luke warm, on 2010-November-15, 16:52, said:

do i have this right? it went (p) p (3♦) x (p) 5♠ (p) to you? if so, was 5NT to play or asking for another suit?

No, it went

3D X 5D P
P X P 5S
P 5NT P 6H

[mgoetze]

fuburules3, on 2010-November-15, 14:15, said:

What would people bid if sequence continued 5D-P-P-?

Since I doubled first time around, I probably have to pass now, but might bid 5♥. If I knew the scoring and vulnerability I might be more confident about this decision.

Had I bid 3NT the first time double would be a standout now, and I would not expect partner to remove that bid with any hand whatsoever.

[P_Marlowe]

X - you have 20HCP, there has to be a upper limit for direct actions,
and 20HCP is above this limit.

In the next round bid game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mcphee]

Bidding 4H might work, but 3N sure appears to be the right choice to me.

[mikeh]

I would have bid a very heavy 3N, protected to a large degree by partner's passed hand status.

I see and respect Frances' opinion to the contrary, but I disagree with her hope that partner would show a 2-suiter with 4=4 in the blacks and the values for game. KQxx Jxx xx Kxxx or AQ9x Jxx xx Qxxx are not 4♦ bids to me....they are 4♠ calls.

In addition, even if he has 5 spades, I think that a simulation will show that 3N is the superior contract...it will fail less often than would 4♠.

BTW, if partner were an unpassed hand, this would be another classic instance of the hand from hell. Now slam has to be at least thought about and 3N likely kills many of the slam hands.

Funny how adjective bridge solves problems.....being able to announce 'natural' for one's 4N ovecall or 'natural' for our 4N over partner's 4♠ would make this hand trivial. But frequency-wise, neither treatment seems optimum.

[han]

mikeh, on 2010-November-17, 11:24, said:

I see and respect Frances' opinion to the contrary, but I disagree with her hope that partner would show a 2-suiter with 4=4 in the blacks and the values for game. KQxx Jxx xx Kxxx or AQ9x Jxx xx Qxxx are not 4♦ bids to me....they are 4♠ calls.

I suspect that Frances's partner also bids 4S with KQJ10 Kxx xx xxxx, but with most 4-4 hands they would cuebid. Why do yours choose not to cuebid?