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#1 User is offline   wyman 

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Posted 2010-November-06, 10:08

1st chair. What do you expect from partner in the following 6 auctions?

p-(p)-1d-(1h)
2c-(p)-p-(2h)
p-(p)-Y

where
Y = X?
Y = 2S?
Y = 2N?

p-(p)-1d-(1h)
2c-(2h)-Y

where
Y = X?
Y = 2S?
Y = 2N?
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Posted 2010-November-06, 10:11

X= take out
2♠ = natural (reverse if bid directly)
2NT = natural or pick a minor if bid reopening
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Posted 2010-November-06, 10:32

Double for me is penalty after the pass of 2C. 2S is competitive (effectively this replaces a take-out double). 2NT is competitive to 3 of a minor with better diamonds.
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Posted 2010-November-06, 10:35

I had a negX, did I not?
Did not select that.
X after pass: C:Hx want D:Hx to 3D.
X not passed: H-stuff -> try NT or penalties?
2S after pass: can we play S:4-3?
2S not passed: S-stops, do you stop hearts
2NT after pass: is one of the minors likely running?
2NT not passed: H-stops, can we 3NT?
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Posted 2010-November-06, 13:36

This is not in a "Non-natural" or "SAYC 2/1" forum, so may we assume a natural system like Acol?
IMO, After...
_P (_P) 1♦ (1♥)
2♣ (_P) _P (2♥)
_P (_P) ??
  • _X = ♥
  • 2♠ = ♠
  • 2N = ♦ with ♣ tolerance.

_P (_P) 1♦ (1♥)
2♣ (2♥) ??
  • _X = T/O
  • 2♠ = 5+ ♦ 4+ ♠ reversing values.
  • 2N = Natural.

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Posted 2010-November-06, 13:47

2/1
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Posted 2010-November-06, 20:18

In the first one, we've already limited ourselves to weak hands without exciting distribution, and common sense takes over:
I don't honestly know whether X should be takeout or just values/inviting partner to leave it in. 2S weak and natural, 2N pick a minor.

In the second one, most partnerships will have actual agreements. Mine are X=support, 2S=reverse-like values with spades, 2NT=the bad half of good/bad, immediate 3C or 3D= the good half of good/bad. Yes, there are risks assuming support doubles apply over minors the same as they do over majors if you haven't discussed it.

I am sure some people agree 2NT is natural NF in the 2nd auction -- I expect that to be common in flight B and C, but a minority treatment in A (quite possibly behind both good/bad and natural strong.)
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Posted 2010-November-08, 10:50

Let me be more specific:

What shape(s) are we expecting from opener (for X, 2S, 2N) in the case where opener is re-balancing?
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Posted 2010-November-09, 04:06

View Postwyman, on 2010-November-08, 10:50, said:

What shape(s) are we expecting from opener (for X, 2S, 2N) in the case where opener is re-balancing?


3442, 4252, xx53 or maybe xx52
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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