raise or pass?
#1
Posted 2010-November-01, 22:28
J84,AQ83,T76,973
Partner opens 1S:1N 2S:?
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#2
Posted 2010-November-01, 22:59
Dianne, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies... --Agent Dale Cooper
#3
Posted 2010-November-01, 22:59
I think you'd reason that bidding 1n then bidding 3♠ is how you show a 3 card limit raise. maybe, given that responder now knows of a 9 card fit, he might jump to game with a max limit raise, but otherwise he'd do what he was planning to do when he bid 1N: bid 3♠ next.
As soon as you realize that partner should take 3♠ as showing a limit raise, you have the answer to your question. You judged this hand as less than constructive (I think it is close), so you can hardly now call it a limit raise!
#4
Posted 2010-November-02, 02:18
I am assuming 1NT is forcing.
The question is, what does a raise show?
Usually one has also the limit raise with 3 card support included in the 1NT,
so the qeustion is, can partner differentiate between my current raise,
which was not even worth a constructive raise the round before - I disagree with
this, but that is judgement,
and the 10-12 3 card raise, also included in the 1NT.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#5
Posted 2010-November-02, 06:43
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#6
Posted 2010-November-02, 07:55
As an additional question, what should openers hand look like for a 1♠:1N 3♠ bid?
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#7
Posted 2010-November-02, 08:14
jillybean, on 2010-November-02, 07:55, said:
As an additional question, what should openers hand look like for a 1♠:1N 3♠ bid?
AKJ10xx AJx K10x x would be a sound 3♠ bid (for me, a very sound 3♠)...different players will have slightly different ideas, but the prototypical hand is around 16 hcp with a fairly good 6 card suit.
#8
Posted 2010-November-02, 09:17
jillybean, on 2010-November-02, 07:55, said:
As an additional question, what should openers hand look like for a 1♠:1N 3♠ bid?
Assuming the same seq., but 1NT being nonforcing: What would openers hand look like?
Basically opener is inviting game oppossite a max. nonforcing 1NT response.
A nonforcing 1NT response showes 6-10HCP without 3 card support, so opener will need
a reasonable 6 card suit and at least 15/16HCP, so that with a max. 1NT response, which
starts with 8HCP, he has at least 24HCP in the combined hands, 24/25 being the magic
number number to have a reasonale shot fro making 9-10 tricks.
It is trendy to say "points schmoints", nevertheless the old HCP calculus will you give you
quite often a good answer to this type of questions.
Of course if you have a hand just a tad too weak for a constructive raise, than this hand
should also accept the invite, but than you basically count something add. for the known 9
card trump fit, peoble claim, that the 9th trump is worth a Queen.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: From this followes also, that opener should strive to make the jump rebid, if he thinks,
that he will have a reasonable shot at making 10 tricks, if he finds a useful card (say
an Ace or an King), 3 card support and a shortage (a doubleton) in the responding hand.
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#9
Posted 2010-November-02, 12:25
In teams it makes sense to try to bid games a little more often since the rewards are higher than the risks, other things being equal.
George Carlin
#10
Posted 2010-November-02, 13:38
#11
Posted 2010-November-02, 14:25
jillybean, on 2010-November-02, 07:55, said:
As an additional question, what should openers hand look like for a 1♠:1N 3♠ bid?
6 card spades, 15-18 HCP. With more you have to do something else.

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