[mtvesuvius]

Trump lead to the Ten and Jack, plan the play.

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This post has been edited by mtvesuvius: 2010-October-30, 18:54

[inquiry]

mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-30, 18:09, said:

Trump lead to the Ten and Jack, plan the play.

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Assuming NS play a style where NORTH can open his hand, and play a style where the 2♠ bid does not show extra's, one has to fault South, as he forced to the grand slam. However, that is two huge "assumings". So i am going to blame North, not so much for the 1♥ bid, but perhaps he should soft pedal with a 2♥ rebid, or maybe, just maybe, it is no ones fault.

For the play, I play a club to dummy, ruff a diamond, ruff a heart, ruff a diamond, play spade to AK. My hope is that the same West has four or five clubs and the heart ACE, and the diamond QJ fall in four rounds, and spades are 3-2. Then i have a club-heart simple squeeze on WEST for 13 tricks (4♦, 2♦-ruffs, 4♠, 2♣ plus the squeeze).

[Bbradley62]

Even if North's bids were within partnership understanding, South can't be faulted, so there's not fault for bidding.

I also am playing for 3-2 spades, 4-3 diamonds, West with ♥A and 4+ clubs, but I came up with a diffent (maybe inferior) order.

♠J. ♦A, ♦K, ♦ruff, ♣A, ♦ruff(high per-force), ♠A, ♠K, ♦T, ♦9. When I cash the last ♠, West cannot hold ♥A and two ♣.

[Fluffy]

Bradley, your partner might draw attention to you when you lead from the wrong hand at trick 2, but if it works well, you'll have a nice story to tell.

I would do the same as inquiry, just my timing would be a bit different, starting ruffing a heart and cashing ♦AK, probably doesn't make any difference, but seems to give some extra options if ♦QJ are tight of ♥A stiff or something wild.

[gnasher]

Fluffy, on 2010-October-31, 04:57, said:

I would do the same as inquiry, just my timing would be a bit different, starting ruffing a heart and cashing ♦AK, probably doesn't make any difference, but seems to give some extra options if ♦QJ are tight of ♥A stiff or something wild.

That works when someone has ♦QJx too - when you find out that your diamonds are good, you just take another heart ruff and draw trumps from North. (But maybe that's what you meant.)

[TWO4BRIDGE]

mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-30, 18:09, said:

Trump lead to the Ten and Jack, plan the play.

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I'll let others plan the play.
I'll just showcase my method for 1H openers and a 2m! GF.
Note the given auction:
1H - 2D!
2S :: how do you distinguish between a minimum Opener or "extras" w/4s ?

With my "home grown" method ( at least I know Zel will appreciate ):
1H - 2D!
2H!( minimum w or w/o 4s ) - 2S! (asks which?)
??
..2NT! = no 4s, but may have extra Ht length )
..3C! = 4s/5h, Cl shortness
..3D! = 4s/5h, Diam shortness )
..3H! = 4 5 2 2
..3S! = 4s/6+h, ergo shortness in a minor

After
3D! - 3S
4C ( courtesy cue ) - 4D ( cue )
4S - 5C ( cue and must at least have trump A & K to go past 4NT-RKC )
5D ( stiff dA or void ) - 6S

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Note: if Opener had "extras", he rebids a direct 2S! or 2NT!:
1H - 2m!
??
..2S! = 4s + extras
..2NT! = no 4s, extras, but couldn't open 1NT w/5+h.

[Zelandakh]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2010-October-31, 10:02, said:

I'll let others plan the play.
I'll just showcase my method for 1H openers and a 2m! GF.
Note the given auction:
1H - 2D!
2S :: how do you distinguish between a minimum Opener or "extras" w/4s ?

With my "home grown" method ( at least I know Zel will appreciate ):
1H - 2D!
2H!( minimum w or w/o 4s ) - 2S! (asks which?)
??
..2NT! = no 4s, but may have extra Ht length )
..3C! = 4s/5h, Cl shortness
..3D! = 4s/5h, Diam shortness )
..3H! = 4 5 2 2
..3S! = 4s/6+h, ergo shortness in a minor

After
3D! - 3S
4C ( courtesy cue ) - 4D ( cue )
4S - 5C ( cue and must at least have trump A & K to go past 4NT-RKC )
5D ( stiff dA or void ) - 6S

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Note: if Opener had "extras", he rebids a direct 2S! or 2NT!:
1H - 2m!
??
..2S! = 4s + extras
..2NT! = no 4s, extras, but couldn't open 1NT w/5+h.

Although it seems to much less popular than the style where 2S does not show extras, the method where 2S is a reverse is perfectly playable. I am not sure that the complexity here is necessary since the only time you need to ask is when Responder holds 4 spades. Therefore 2S can be natural rather than a relay. Simple is

1H - 2D
2H
...2S = 4 spades
......2N = 5332 and no extras
......3C = 4+ clubs without extras
......3D = 3 or 4+ diamonds and no extras
......3H = 1-suited without a solid suit (or without extras if you play the initial jump as extras, which is possibly more common using this method)
......3S = 4 spades, no extras, no splinter (typically 4522)
......4m = 4 spades, no extras, splinter

You lose the shortness-showing splinter at the 3 level and gain on hands without a spade fit. Within your structure, again I feel there is a small optimisation, namely reversing 3H and 3S. You can then use 3S over 3H as an ask for the shortage. This also has the advantage of being more natural (3H shows extra H length and 3S shows S support without anything else to add).

Incidentally, I also found this hand very interesting to bid through since it used some of the less-used sequences of the system (3-suiter followed by a 4-level Q ask). For the play I cannot see many options outside of what has already been posted.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Thx again, Zel....

I've got work to do... going thru my files for 1H openings that I've compiled over the years and test your suggested system.... ( which looks good on the surface ).

I came up with my treatment when an expert posed the question ( on the old MSN Message Board years ago ):

How does one distinguish between Opener's hand strength for the following 2/1 auction:
1H - 2C!
2S

Opener hand # 1 (Reverse strength ~17+ hcp )
A K Q x
A K J x x
x
x x x

Opener hand # 2 ( Flannery type hand ( ~ 12-15 )
J x x x
A K Q x x
Q x
x x

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And I also like your suggestion for my system:
switching the 3H! and 3S! rebids by Responder over Opener's 2H! = minimum rebid.

Will you require royalties if I incorporate it into my system ?
( If so, where do I send the checks ? )

[mtvesuvius]

The squeeze line works, but you have to transfer the guard:

Was wondering if there might be any reasonable way to figure out to do that?

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[Zelandakh]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2010-November-02, 07:59, said:

Will you require royalties if I incorporate it into my system ?
( If so, where do I send the checks ? )

If you ever win a major prize and my suggestion made the difference you can send me a Euro.

[nige1]

mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-30, 18:09, said:

Trump lead to the Ten and Jack, plan the play.

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Great bidding to an excellent slam Having now read the previous posts, I agree that the Fluffy/Gnasher line is much better than my pathetic attempt (now deleted)

♠J, ruff a ♥ (an early guess for RHO). ♦AK, ruff a ♦...

• If a defender started with ♦QJx then ruff another ♥, Cash ♠AK, cross to ♣K, draw trumps, and claim.
• Otherwise you can still ruff another diamond and attempt the unlikely round suit squeeze.

This post has been edited by nige1: 2010-November-04, 19:33