[wank]

what 2 openers would people suggest assuming a totally free hand and assuming all hands of opening strength or better are opened at the 1 level? presumably these will all be pretty pre-emptive then.

brown sticker is fine

2C-2S available

I know wilkosz is popular. obviously it would be an option to move it to 2C though now or play something else entirely.

obviously they should work as a set.

[gwnn]

We played the following:

2♣=strong any or 5-7 with diamonds
2♦=8-10 with diamonds or 5-7 with hearts
2♥=8-10 with hearts or 5-7 with spades
2♠=8-10 with spades

it's pretty fun (and when I'm saying 5-7, of course you can have less than 5 sometimes). you can perhaps put in clubs any into 2♣ if you don't need it for strong hands?

in an unrelated paragraph, another one that I liked and played with a strong club was
2♠=4 spades and a longer minor

[hrothgar]

Please don't help popularize the word "Destructive"...
Accepting this sort of perjorative labeling can only hurt the cause.

Here's my preferred methods

3♠ = Single suited with Spades
3♥ = Single suited with Hearts
3♦ = Constructive three level preempt in Diamonds
3♣ = Constructive three level preempt in Clubs
2N = Bad three level preempt in either minor
2♠ = Either 4+ Spades and 5+ Clubs or 6+ Spades
2♥ = 4+ Hearts and either (4+ Spades or 5+ Clubs) - NOT three suited
2♦ = 4+ Diamonds and either (4+ Hearts or 4+ Spades) - NOT three suited

[Gerben42]

If you leave my crazy mind total freedom, how about:

2♣: W2 in ♣ or ♦, or both majors
2♦: Wilkosz
2♥: W2 in ♥ or ♠
2♠: 4♠ + longer minor
2NT: minors

[helene_t]

Sunday we played a team match against someone who played
2♣= diamonds or strong
2♦ = 5+ in either major, weak
2♥ = 4-5 clubs, 3-5 diamonds, 3-4 hearts, 0-1 spades. weak
2♠ = 4-5 clubs, 3-5 diamonds, 0-1 hearts, 3-4 spades. weak
2NT = minors, weak

[Echognome]

When I played a system with 5 preemptive openings at the 2-level, I really enjoyed the following:

2♣ - 4♥+4♠
2♦ - 4♦+4♥/♠
2♥ - Natural
2♠ - Natural
2NT - 5♣+5♦

[wank]

my best effort currently is a mixture of gwnn's method and wilkosz.

2C = bad wk2 hearts/ bad wk 2 diamonds/constructive wk 2 clubs
2D = wilkosz
2h = bad wk2 spades/constructuve wk 2 hearts
2s = constructive wk 2 spades

i like the idea of making it tricky for RHO to float LHO's value showing double to await developments son i like the ambiguity over whether opener has the suit or not

[sty2000]

2♣: majors
2♦: mini multi (weak two in one major)
2♥: ♥+m
2♠: ♠+m
2NT: minors

all legal, no brown stickers

[kayin801]

2♥ multi plz

[mtvesuvius]

Perhaps something like inverted psycho suction openings?

2♣ - ♣ or ♦+♥ or ♥+♣
2♦ - ♦ or ♥+♠ or ♠+♦
2♥ - ♥ or ♠ and ♣
2♠ - ♠ or ♣ and ♦

[dake50]

Look at Amsbury-type openers:
2x shows 6-suit in bid -- sits a double
OR 3-suited not bid suit -- redoubles a double: SOS
OR 2-suited not bid suit -- lower suit over double: P/C

Confounding, yet paradox-type raises are possible --
this 'raise'/new suit is our spot or the correction finds the right spot.

[Free]

The most agressive, which also lets you alert your pass as 6-10HCP is Lorenzo two's:
2X = 0-7HCP, 4+X (Majors first style), never a decent hand
I've played 2M as such in the past when NV 1st & 2nd seat (2m was needed for something else). Was a lot of fun, we had lots of fun deals.

An alternative very agressive opening is the random 2♣: 0-5HCP any hand. If you're too scared you can decide opener must have some 5 card suit. You can still play 2♦ and 2M as whatever you want. I've played that a few times, until our club decided to ban BSC because of lots of old people were getting angry at us. This came up several times every session and we never got a bad board (perhaps because people didn't know how to defend). It's a perfect example of a destructive method.

Some more constructive but still agressive method is something I played a few years ago:
2♣ = 4+♣, 4+M
2♦ = 4+♦, 4+M
2♥ = 4+♥, 4+♠
2♠ = 5+♠
Comes up a lot since 4432 with values in the 4-card suits is already enough to open.

Obviously all the above are best played when NV.

[Trinidad]

How about:
2♣: weak two in a minor
2♦: weak, 5M + 4+m
2♥: weak two in a major
2♠: weak, 55+♥+♠ or 55+♣+♦

All brown sticker, all non forcing

Rik

[MickyB]

Not sure I'd fancy playing your suggested method when vulnerable, playing in the suit that oppo have game in becomes rather less attractive. I think that something like Tutti Frutti [2D = spades+minor or hearts, 2H = hearts+minor or spades] would be almost as good when NV but much better when vul.

[gnasher]

If you're going to play a Multi that includes the suit bid, I think it should be this sort of thing:

2♥ = 6 hearts, opening strength; or weak 2♠

or even

2♦ = 6 diamonds, opening strength; or a weak two in a major

That makes it safer to pass the opening when you don't have much, and it's still OK to make a pass-or-correct bid when you have a scattering of high cards. Because the hand-types are of similar freuqncy, it's quite hard to devise a good defence.

I also like

2♣ = 4-4 or longer, clubs + a major
2♦ = 4-4 or longer, diamonds + a major

but to limit damage to your own constructive bidding I think you have to play them very weak - about 0-6 probably - and that makes they fairly rare.

[lamford]

gnasher, on 2010-November-03, 08:58, said:

If you're going to play a Multi that includes the suit bid, I think it should be this sort of thing:

2♥ = 6 hearts, opening strength; or weak 2♠

or even

2♦ = 6 diamonds, opening strength; or a weak two in a major

That makes it safer to pass the opening when you don't have much, and it's still OK to make a pass-or-correct bid when you have a scattering of high cards. Because the hand-types are of similar freuqncy, it's quite hard to devise a good defence.

I also like

2♣ = 4-4 or longer, clubs + a major
2♦ = 4-4 or longer, diamonds + a major

but to limit damage to your own constructive bidding I think you have to play them very weak - about 0-6 probably - and that makes they fairly rare.

It is legal, and more destructive, to play that 2H is three-way, 6 hearts opening strength, weak 2S or 5-5 in the minors 0-5ish. You correct to 2S and redouble with the last named, and they are still guessing after two rounds of the auction.

And 2D as six diamonds, opening strength, weak two in major, or bad pre-empt in clubs. That still makes it safe to pass when you don't have much. Apart from the odd -700.

[the hog]

2C both Majors 4+ 4+ 6-10
2D Wilkosz
2H Weak 2 in H or S
2S Pre empt in either minor

[gnasher]

lamford, on 2010-November-03, 17:40, said:

It is legal, and more destructive, to play that 2H is three-way, 6 hearts opening strength, weak 2S or 5-5 in the minors 0-5ish. You correct to 2S and redouble with the last named, and they are still guessing after two rounds of the auction.

And 2D as six diamonds, opening strength, weak two in major, or bad pre-empt in clubs. That still makes it safe to pass when you don't have much. Apart from the odd -700.

Do you mean that it's allowed in the EBU? If so, can you explain why?

[Zelandakh]

the hog, on 2010-November-03, 18:03, said:

2C both Majors 4+ 4+ 6-10
2D Wilkosz
2H Weak 2 in H or S
2S Pre empt in either minor

Would it not be more logical to play
2C Wilkosz (5+M, 5+m)
2D Weak 2 in H or S
2H both Majors 4+ 4+ 6-10
2S Pre empt in either minor

if you are showing these 4 hand types?

[the hog]

Zelandakh, on 2010-November-03, 22:43, said:

Would it not be more logical to play
2C Wilkosz (5+M, 5+m)
2D Weak 2 in H or S
2H both Majors 4+ 4+ 6-10
2S Pre empt in either minor

if you are showing these 4 hand types?

Absolutely NOT!
2H as a weak 2 in either M is extremely difficult to play against. It can be passed with or without a fit. It makes action by next hand very difficult. Read what its protagonists have to say.
The mini multi as you suggest, is a doddle in the park compared to the former.
2C as Ekrens allows you to bid 2D to find your longer M fit, (if one exists).