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tweaking polish club :-)

Poll: Balanced range (29 member(s) have cast votes)

1C balanced range

  1. 10-12 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 11-13 (7 votes [24.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  3. 12-14 (17 votes [58.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 58.62%

  4. 13-15 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 14-16 (1 votes [3.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  6. 15-17 (4 votes [13.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.79%

1C clubs range

  1. all (6 votes [20.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.69%

  2. 13+ (1 votes [3.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  3. 14+ (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 15+ (18 votes [62.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 62.07%

  5. 16+ (3 votes [10.34%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.34%

  6. 17+ (1 votes [3.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

1C forcing range

  1. 15+ (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 16+ (1 votes [3.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  3. 17+ (7 votes [24.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  4. 18+ (15 votes [51.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.72%

  5. 19+ (5 votes [17.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  6. 20+ (1 votes [3.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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Posted 2010-November-01, 04:59

View Postmgoetze, on 2010-November-01, 01:25, said:

Attachments don't seem to be working. (Why are we only allowed to use the "report" button for objectionable content?)


OK, then I'll post direct links:

http://www.ecatsbrid...rek-smirnov.pdf

http://www.ecatsbrid...d/Nowo-Wian.pdf
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Posted 2010-November-02, 04:53

View Postthe hog, on 2010-October-31, 18:01, said:

This is an extremely poor idea. The 1D opening in PC gains a great deal simply because responder KNOWS it shows 4+D.


No, it is a trade-off. The 2♣ opening gains a great deal simply because it shows 6+♣.

Steven


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Posted 2010-November-03, 18:01

View Postlowerline, on 2010-November-02, 04:53, said:

No, it is a trade-off. The 2♣ opening gains a great deal simply because it shows 6+♣.

Steven


Disagree completely. I have analysed about 1000 hands when we played Polish C and Power. The 1D bid was a big winner.
By playing 2 or 3 cards Ds you are no longer playing Polish Club anyway.
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Posted 2010-November-05, 04:16

View Postthe hog, on 2010-November-03, 18:01, said:

Disagree completely. I have analysed about 1000 hands when we played Polish C and Power. The 1D bid was a big winner.
By playing 2 or 3 cards Ds you are no longer playing Polish Club anyway.


Ok, maybe I was not clear. I only make an exception for the exact distributions of 1-4-3-5 and 4-1-3-5. So the 1♦ opening is always unbalanced and the aforementioned distributions are the only cases it does not show at least 4 diamonds. Responder can still raise with 4crd support. So it can happen you have to play in a 4-3 fit, but with a singleton in the hand with the 3crd trumps, this is usually playable.
I agree with you that a 1♦ opening guaranteeing a 4crd is still better, but then you will have to open 2♣ (or 1♣?) with these distributions. I guess you will agree with me that a 2♣ opening always showing a 6crd is better than one showing a 5crd.




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Posted 2010-November-05, 04:53

View Postlowerline, on 2010-November-02, 04:53, said:

No, it is a trade-off. The 2♣ opening gains a great deal simply because it shows 6+♣.

Steven

That's a very poor trade-off if you ask me...
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Posted 2010-November-05, 05:47

Some time ago i came up with similar ideas like ''lowerline'' and ''glen''.

There is quite a bit to tell about style, reasoning and psychology, but this is outline of what I found to be close to optimal.
Note that i was making this particulary for 1/2 seat when we are vulnerable.

1♣=5♣4M 11+; bal 16+ (excluding 2NT range); 16+ w/ 5♠+ or 16+ w/ 5♣+
1♦=5♦+ (Not 5332) Forcing
1♥=limited up to ~~18/19
1♠=limited up to ~~15
1N=(13/15) 12+/16- not only balanced hands...
2♣=5♣4♦ or 6♣+ no 4M
2♦=5♥+4♠+ ~10/13 or 19+with 5♥+
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