1C:1S 2C:2D
#1
Posted 2010-October-21, 23:24
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#2
Posted 2010-October-22, 00:16
"New minor forcing" typically only refers to auctions after 1nt rebid. Using 2d as wholly artificial force (usually in conjunction with playing 2h as non-forcing), is properly termed something else, "Bourke relay" perhaps.
#3
Posted 2010-October-22, 00:24
It's an uncomfortable auction no matter how you play it.
#4
Posted 2010-October-22, 00:45
I'm working through the differences in a potential new partnership and this is something that has come up.
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#5
Posted 2010-October-22, 02:11
#6
Posted 2010-October-22, 05:27
only I call it "cheapest (bid)" new suit forcing ( may be artificial )-- in this case 2D -- after Opener's rebid of his minor.
This way 2H is NF.
The more problemic auction is:
1D - 1S
2D - ??
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#7
Posted 2010-October-22, 05:34
#8
Posted 2010-October-22, 07:12
Free, on 2010-October-22, 02:11, said:
You need another choice. I agree with Frederick here.
Ron
#9
Posted 2010-October-22, 07:29
Free, on 2010-October-22, 02:11, said:
If 2♦ is artificial and you don't have 5♠, what do you have, ♣ support?
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#10
Posted 2010-October-22, 07:43
jillybean, on 2010-October-22, 07:29, said:
Since 2H is NF, Responder may have a GF 5s/4h hand or a GF hand with 4s and yes, Clubs or has a good hand but needs more info ( like a Ht-stop ) for NT..... similar options as in NMF only Opener has an unbalanced hand.
1C - 1S
2C - 2D!
2NT - 3C ( now is GF w/Cl )
...because if he just wanted to invite, Responder would just bid 3C over 2C.
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#11
Posted 2010-October-22, 07:45
jillybean, on 2010-October-22, 07:29, said:
I didn't say I never have 5♠, I said that bidding 2♦ doesn't imply that I have 5♠.
I can have all sorts of hands actually. I can still have 5+♠, I can have ♦, I can have ♣ support, I can have a balanced slam try,...
#12
Posted 2010-October-22, 07:46
1m-2M can show 5S/4H const/inv.
This auction should still be a checkback, though, imo.
edit: I mean opener's priority should be to pattern out, first showing 3 card support for responder's major. Responder can have a range of hands, not all of which include 5+M.
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#13
Posted 2010-October-22, 08:03
George Carlin
#14
Posted 2010-October-22, 08:03
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#15
Posted 2010-October-22, 11:11
#16
Posted 2010-October-23, 13:01
mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-22, 11:11, said:
It is forcing. Some play that it is NMF, just as if opener had rebid 1NT. In any case, the auction needs background information what 1C-1S-2C-3D and 1C-1S-2C-3C are. In any case, 2D is definitely forcing and can contain various hand types, which will be clarified later in the auction. 2H would be nonforcing though still not weak, because with weak hands, responder will settle for a reasonable 2C, knowing opener has six of them.
#17
Posted 2010-October-23, 22:55
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#18
Posted 2010-October-26, 06:29
#20
Posted 2010-October-28, 10:59
2D is ostensibly diamonds, but it is guaranteed forcing (as is 2H in my system); there may be times when partner has "no real bid, but wants to force" - and in that case, 2D is the "least lie".
So Natural and forcing, but he "shows but does not promise" diamonds. I realize it's a handwavy definition, but it works.