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Posted 2010-October-13, 17:55

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1♣ (X) 5♣ (5♥)
P   (P)  ?


Maybe you don't agree with 5♣, but that is what I bid.
What now?
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Posted 2010-October-13, 18:41

You pre empted yourself with the 5C bid, Kathryn. Whatever you do now is a guess. I guess I bid 6C, primarilly to try and avoid a double game swing. Who knows, maybe it will make.
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Posted 2010-October-13, 18:52

Hi Ron, would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?
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Posted 2010-October-13, 20:16

jillybean, on Oct 14 2010, 07:52 AM, said:

Hi Ron, would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

No, definitely not. I would make the lowest forcing C bid that I could make. For us this would be 2NT, same as if 1M were doubled.
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Posted 2010-October-13, 20:36

6♣, though I fear 5♥ and 6♣ are both -1. It seems reasonable to gamble that partner has a stiff heart on the auction, though it won't happen all the time. The 5♥ bidder could have 5 hearts, but since partner and the doubler should have reasonable values and we hold 1/4 the deck ourselves I would expect the 5♥ call to be more on distribution than high card strength.

Agree with the_hog that I would have made a forcing club raise (or XX and bid clubs) at my first turn, however you would bid that in your system.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 03:07

We have extra strenght for the 5♣ bid, normally this means we double now, but with 8 cards in clubs this seems so wrong.

I doubt west has 6 hearts, he is so likelly holding a 5-5 red hand, wich gives partner 2 hearts most of the time, even 3 is possible. MY best guess is that 5♥ will go 1 down in 2 spades and a diamond, or maybe 2 /3down if ♣A cashes and we can ruff diamonds. I double.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 05:31

Dbl
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Posted 2010-October-14, 08:11

The_Hog, on Oct 13 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 14 2010, 07:52 AM, said:

Hi Ron,  would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

No, definitely not. I would make the lowest forcing C bid that I could make. For us this would be 2NT, same as if 1M were doubled.

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 08:13

who knows what's right with 8 card support :) I don't! bid 6C and fasten your seatbelts.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 08:31

Crazy hands deserve crazy bids :)

I think at the table, I would have bid 6♣ on my first turn. It might make, or induce a bad 6D/H/S by ops, or be a good sac. Also if we play it, they are left groping for the right lead (not having communicated their heart fit).
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Posted 2010-October-14, 14:22

Al Roth would bid 2C.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:03

I'm bidding to six here, and would have considered it initially.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 22:25

At MP I'd double. At IMP I'd bid 6♣.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 22:41

jillybean, on Oct 14 2010, 08:11 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Oct 13 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 14 2010, 07:52 AM, said:

Hi Ron,  would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

No, definitely not. I would make the lowest forcing C bid that I could make. For us this would be 2NT, same as if 1M were doubled.

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

consider changing, so that 2Nt (or something) is a l.r. + in clubs, or whatever. But this hand doesn't fit a nitch. I like the 6C bid some people suggested on the previous round. But probably would have bid only five and been in the same predicament. :angry:
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Posted 2010-October-15, 00:30

I bid 6♣ and found partner with; KQ43,A8,7632,AT6 , most other tables played in 5♣
Top board, thanks to the 5♥ bid on 97,QT92,KQT854,9

Time to discuss a forcing minor raise with my p.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 02:35

2NT should definitely be a raise of opener's suit. But I wouldn't use it on this hand since it is imossible to "show your hand" with 8 card support. Did your RHO really bid his 4 card suit from 6-4 on the 5 level???
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Posted 2010-October-15, 08:18

gwnn, on Oct 15 2010, 01:35 AM, said:

2NT should definitely be a raise of opener's suit. But I wouldn't use it on this hand since it is imossible to "show your hand" with 8 card support. Did your RHO really bid his 4 card suit from 6-4 on the 5 level???

Yes, really. Thank you opps.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:08

I mean he can either pass or bid 5♦, it depends on his table feel. I don't like pass from him but bidding the 4 card suit???
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Posted 2010-October-15, 14:17

jillybean, on Oct 14 2010, 09:11 AM, said:

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

What do you use 2NT for then? Natural?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-15, 14:24

gwnn, on Oct 15 2010, 10:08 AM, said:

I mean he can either pass or bid 5♦, it depends on his table feel. I don't like pass from him but bidding the 4 card suit???

It seems to be a recent trend to bid (a much weaker) 4-card suit with 4-6 combination.
 
 
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