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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-October-15, 05:57

I played a whole session of bridge with the world-famous bridge player Han Peters in Amsterdam a week ago. It was IMP pairs and even though I let through a few games here or there we got a plus score.

Oh yes the hand I wanted to ask about:

AJx
QTx
QJTxx
QJ

we're unfavourable and partner is dealer.

1-p-2-(4)
p-p-??

2 was inverted, do you have a good agreement about partner's pass and double and our pass and double? Well we didn't, but still, what would you do?
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Posted 2010-October-15, 06:19

I think the normal meaning of pass for partner is: I don't wanna paly game opposite invitational.


MY QJ stinks so much taht I am devaluating the hand to just invitational and bid 4 just competitive. Double would be strong balanced IMO
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Posted 2010-October-15, 06:30

Double and try to beat it
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Posted 2010-October-15, 06:40

Fluffy, on Oct 15 2010, 12:19 PM, said:

I think the normal meaning of pass for partner is: I don't wanna paly game opposite invitational.


MY QJ stick so much taht I am devaluating the hand to just invitational and bid 4 just competitive. Double would be strong balanced IMO

Sounds reasonable. Except that the QJ suck so much and the general quackiness of the hand makes me think this is barely inv after LHOs bid. Pass could be the best option, but I probably try 4 - not liking it much. X seems to be a match point punt to me - not sure we beat it often enough to pay for all the times 4 squeaks home.

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Posted 2010-October-15, 06:45

I'd bid 4
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Posted 2010-October-15, 08:58

No I don't have any agreements. So logic, such as it is, must prevail.


Partner can have a 12 count with no reason to think we can either beat 4C or make 4D. I assume he might have such a hand. While he could be 4=4=3=2 and we in fact cannot score plus here, that's pessimistic. I bid 4D. I don't expect this to be forcing. I would think that a double by me, the 2D bidder, would show a better hand, maybe considerable better, and would ask for partner's judgment on declare or defend.

My general view is that we have a diamond fit and enough strength so that it is not crazy to play at the four level, and I have no idea if we can beat 4C.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:09

In general, partner would double with extra defense and bid with extra offense. Pass isn't forcing for me.

I don't think we are beating 4 enough to make it profitable at these colors. I might be threading the needle, but trying for +130 looks right so I will bid 4.

You managed a plus score in cross IMPs with Han? Your shoulders must be tired.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:30

Phil, on Oct 15 2010, 10:09 AM, said:

You managed a plus score in cross IMPs with Han? Your shoulders must be tired.

I prefer to play in very weak fields.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 12:32

We haven't discussed this specific sequence. However we have some general agreements.

Our inverted raise is one of two hand types 1. Any invite (interpreted quite loosely) 2. GF with a side singleton.

At lower levels we double interference to show a shortage - singleton (or possibly a void without game forcing values).

At higher levels we double just to show extra values and establish a force to game and invite cue-bids.

On similar major suit auctions the boundary where this kicks in is at or above three of our major.

Our notes don't have a similar comment for minor auctions so I guess it is something to discuss.

Major auctions are different in preemptive auctions because the five-level is between game and slam. Therefore we want to investigate slam and also to decide if there is further competition whether we take the push to the five-level. We use new suits to help make this later decision so need the double to initiate slam invites.

When a minor is agreed any bid at this level commits us to game at the five-level. So maybe double would still just show a shortage.

If we had already established a GF then our agreements are different:

Pass = no control
Double = high card control - ace or king
Bid = control and shortage in their suit
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Posted 2010-October-15, 12:33

hanp, on Oct 16 2010, 04:30 AM, said:

Phil, on Oct 15 2010, 10:09 AM, said:

You managed a plus score in cross IMPs with Han? Your shoulders must be tired.

I prefer to play in very weak fields.

So do you have to import partners to match? ;)
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Posted 2010-October-15, 12:40

pooltuna, on Oct 15 2010, 07:30 AM, said:

Double and try to beat it

wtf?
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