hanp - gwnn
#1
Posted 2010-October-15, 05:57
Oh yes the hand I wanted to ask about:
AJx
QTx
QJTxx
QJ
we're unfavourable and partner is dealer.
1♦-p-2♦-(4♣)
p-p-??
2♦ was inverted, do you have a good agreement about partner's pass and double and our pass and double? Well we didn't, but still, what would you do?
George Carlin
#2
Posted 2010-October-15, 06:19
MY ♣QJ stinks so much taht I am devaluating the hand to just invitational and bid 4♦ just competitive. Double would be strong balanced IMO
#3
Posted 2010-October-15, 06:30
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
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#4
Posted 2010-October-15, 06:40
Fluffy, on Oct 15 2010, 12:19 PM, said:
MY ♣QJ stick so much taht I am devaluating the hand to just invitational and bid 4♦ just competitive. Double would be strong balanced IMO
Sounds reasonable. Except that the ♣QJ suck so much and the general quackiness of the hand makes me think this is barely inv after LHOs bid. Pass could be the best option, but I probably try 4♦ - not liking it much. X seems to be a match point punt to me - not sure we beat it often enough to pay for all the times 4♣ squeaks home.
Nick
#5
Posted 2010-October-15, 06:45
#6
Posted 2010-October-15, 08:58
Partner can have a 12 count with no reason to think we can either beat 4C or make 4D. I assume he might have such a hand. While he could be 4=4=3=2 and we in fact cannot score plus here, that's pessimistic. I bid 4D. I don't expect this to be forcing. I would think that a double by me, the 2D bidder, would show a better hand, maybe considerable better, and would ask for partner's judgment on declare or defend.
My general view is that we have a diamond fit and enough strength so that it is not crazy to play at the four level, and I have no idea if we can beat 4C.
#7
Posted 2010-October-15, 09:09
I don't think we are beating 4♣ enough to make it profitable at these colors. I might be threading the needle, but trying for +130 looks right so I will bid 4♦.
You managed a plus score in cross IMPs with Han? Your shoulders must be tired.
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#8
Posted 2010-October-15, 09:30
Phil, on Oct 15 2010, 10:09 AM, said:
I prefer to play in very weak fields.
#9
Posted 2010-October-15, 12:32
Our inverted raise is one of two hand types 1. Any invite (interpreted quite loosely) 2. GF with a side singleton.
At lower levels we double interference to show a shortage - singleton (or possibly a void without game forcing values).
At higher levels we double just to show extra values and establish a force to game and invite cue-bids.
On similar major suit auctions the boundary where this kicks in is at or above three of our major.
Our notes don't have a similar comment for minor auctions so I guess it is something to discuss.
Major auctions are different in preemptive auctions because the five-level is between game and slam. Therefore we want to investigate slam and also to decide if there is further competition whether we take the push to the five-level. We use new suits to help make this later decision so need the double to initiate slam invites.
When a minor is agreed any bid at this level commits us to game at the five-level. So maybe double would still just show a shortage.
If we had already established a GF then our agreements are different:
Pass = no control
Double = high card control - ace or king
Bid = control and shortage in their suit
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
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#10
Posted 2010-October-15, 12:33
hanp, on Oct 16 2010, 04:30 AM, said:
Phil, on Oct 15 2010, 10:09 AM, said:
I prefer to play in very weak fields.
So do you have to import partners to match?
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#11
Posted 2010-October-15, 12:40
pooltuna, on Oct 15 2010, 07:30 AM, said:
wtf?

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