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#21 User is offline   the hog 

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Posted 2010-September-29, 20:02

gwnn, on Sep 30 2010, 12:25 AM, said:

I have always played 5D as showing an accept with 5 cards; also I am not so sure whether it's very unlikely that 5NT goes down, I assume that's what you meant?

Yes I agree with this. North should realise that the hand with 5D is clearly worth pushing on with. South takes 0% of the blame.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 02:49

aguahombre, on Sep 29 2010, 02:07 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 29 2010, 11:09 AM, said:

Opposite a balanced 15-count, south will make 6NT 62% of the time, double dummy.

On your sims, is it true that with a balanced 15-count, North will make 6NT 62% of the time, double dummy opposite South's hand?

Yes, this is the 62% I posted.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 03:55

yeah 62% that doesn't take into account the many 14 coutns that are opened B).
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Posted 2010-September-30, 03:55

True.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 04:19

Someone should have bid 5NT at some point. South instead of 4NT and North instead of pass.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 04:30

I would bid slam with South. It may not be prime with a 4333 shape but at the end of the day it still is a respectable 17 count with two Aces. You will usually have 32+ hcps, making slam look pretty decent imo. If partner only accepts with reasonable 16s or 17s you will rarely get to a bad slam but you will probably miss quite a few decent ones too. Then it seems like a winner to man up go for slam by yourself now.

On the flip side I see people saying North should accept with his (albeit good) 15-count. This is not my style, but if your partner is one of those players then 4N seems totally fine. Maybe this is a matter of knowing your partner's style and what he rates to be worthy of accepting a quantitative invite.

Either way, these two hands should be bidding this slam easily imo.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 05:20

OleBerg, on Sep 30 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

Someone should have bid 5NT at some point. South instead of 4NT and North instead of pass.

how standard is that 5NT is a quantitative to 7NT?
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Posted 2010-September-30, 05:33

Fluffy, on Sep 30 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Sep 30 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

Someone should have bid 5NT at some point. South instead of 4NT and North instead of pass.

how standard is that 5NT is a quantitative to 7NT?

Agree with fluffy. I thought it is standard to play 1NT - 5NT as invite to 7NT.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 05:34

Fluffy, on Sep 30 2010, 06:20 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Sep 30 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

Someone should have bid 5NT at some point. South instead of 4NT and North instead of pass.

how standard is that 5NT is a quantitative to 7NT?

5N instead of 4N would certainly be "bid 6 or 7" for us and that is reasonably normal in old style bidding, N could certainly bid 5N over 4N to pass the buck back as "not quite enough to bid 6 myself" and S would then bid it.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 06:45

gwnn, on Sep 29 2010, 12:25 PM, said:

I have always played 5D as showing an accept with 5 cards.

I think it is better to agree that you can still stop in 5NT. For example if responder has xxx of diamonds he'll bid 5NT and opener can pass.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 09:06

hanp, on Sep 30 2010, 06:45 AM, said:

gwnn, on Sep 29 2010, 12:25 PM, said:

I have always played 5D as showing an accept with 5 cards.

I think it is better to agree that you can still stop in 5NT. For example if responder has xxx of diamonds he'll bid 5NT and opener (will) pass.

Not really a "FYP". Just laying groundword for a question: Should opener only trot out a five bagger which could use a little help with a minimum? Perhaps with an actual acceptance he should just accept and keep the auction a little bit blind.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 09:26

Sometimes 6m is much better, seems wrong to only bid 5D with marginal hands.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 12:09

aguahombre, on Sep 30 2010, 10:06 AM, said:

Not really a "FYP".  Just laying groundword for a question:  Should opener only trot out a five bagger which could use a little help with a minimum?  Perhaps with an actual acceptance he should just accept and keep the auction a little bit blind.

Exactly my point. With 5-card suit and non-minimum hand, why even bid 5D? Jumping to slam is much more straightforward.
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-30, 23:18

I hardly ever quant, (my system allows me to misbid my hands at a lower level.)

but this makes sense to me:

Replying to 4NT, you can:
- Pass
- Accept and bid a 4-card suits at the 5-level. (Then bid up the line.)
- Re-invite with 5NT
- Accept with a fivecard-suit at the 6-level.
- Accept with 6NT.
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Posted 2010-October-04, 20:56

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Try that.
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