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#1 User is offline   hanp 

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Posted 2010-September-23, 15:18

I wonder how people deal with this kind of hand

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Red against white, imps, 1H - (1S) - ??

If you bid 2C, what will you rebid if partner bids 2D?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 15:26

1N. Not enamored with it but like 2 less.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 15:47

Two clubs is fine, then three clubs.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 15:49

Nothing is forcing me to bid here. I pass and see if partner can add anything next round.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 15:55

NF 2, followed by 2NT.
If not possible, 1NT.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 16:03

It is always good to have our bids be non forcing or forcing, or GF whenever the right hand comes up for that style.

Phil and Flame are doing the best they can with this hand. I can never get things right after passing with a response, so more power to those who can, like Mr. Kovacs.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 16:41

Playing natural methods, I'd bid 1NT, then 3 on the next round if there is one.

Playing transfers from double upwards, I would make a constructive-or-better transfer to clubs.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 16:49

gnasher, on Sep 23 2010, 04:41 PM, said:

Playing natural methods, I'd bid 1NT, then 3 on the next round if there is one.

yup
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Posted 2010-September-23, 20:53

A forcing 2C then a non-forcing 3C. 1NT seems a bit weird with a good suit and a 6-4 shape.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 21:27

aguahombre, on Sep 23 2010, 05:49 PM, said:

gnasher, on Sep 23 2010, 04:41 PM, said:

Playing natural methods, I'd bid 1NT, then 3 on the next round if there is one.

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Posted 2010-September-23, 21:54

andy_h, on Sep 23 2010, 08:53 PM, said:

A forcing 2C then a non-forcing 3C. 1NT seems a bit weird with a good suit and a 6-4 shape.

true. But it also seems a bit wierd to not show a double spade stop within your strength and pattern.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 22:57

2C to start off with, followed by 3C.
1NT with this shape is decidedly odd to say the least.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 01:46

I choose the odd bid.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 03:52

I would pass for the moment. The spade length makes it unlikely LHO will blast to 3-something.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 04:26

pass
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Posted 2010-September-24, 05:52

play NFBs, if I didn't I'm stuck with 1NT because if I pass we are really stuck when partner reopens with 2 red.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 06:39

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2? 3? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

If playing SAYC 2 would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

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Posted 2010-September-24, 06:49

Hanoi5, on Sep 24 2010, 07:39 AM, said:

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2? 3? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

If playing SAYC 2 would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

It doesn't matter whether you are playing SAYC or 2/1. After the overcall, the 2 bid is natural and a one-round force, and does not promise the same values as a 2 bid not in competition.

I would not ignore the good six card suit despite the good spade holding. I bid 2 intending to bid 2NT over 2, 3 otherwise.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 12:47

Hanoi5, on Sep 24 2010, 07:39 AM, said:

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2? 3? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

If playing SAYC 2 would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

I do not understand why SAYC or 2/1 would make difference here. Even in 2/1, 1NT in comp won't be forcing, and 2 in comp is forcing for 1 round but not game. In short, SAYC and 2/1 treat the 1NT/2 exactly the same way.

If I had passed initially and partner reopened with X, I would have a pretty easy 3 bid. But I wouldn't be as well placed had partner reopened with a red suit. For this reason I prefer bidding immediately, probably starting with 2 then non-forcing 3. It so happens that my partner likes to stretch to respond, so my hand is not going to upset him if I bid this way.
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-24, 18:16

ArtK78, on Sep 24 2010, 07:49 PM, said:

Hanoi5, on Sep 24 2010, 07:39 AM, said:

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2? 3? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

If playing SAYC 2 would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

It doesn't matter whether you are playing SAYC or 2/1. After the overcall, the 2 bid is natural and a one-round force, and does not promise the same values as a 2 bid not in competition.

I would not ignore the good six card suit despite the good spade holding. I bid 2 intending to bid 2NT over 2, 3 otherwise.

Here we go again. After intervention, a 2/1 MAY be forcing or MAY be a -ve free bid, depending on your agreements. This has NOTHING to do with 2/1, SAYC or the Macchu Picchu Diamond system. Ok it may be focing for YOU. That doesn't man it is for the rest of the world.
Fluffy, this is a decent 2C -ve free bid imo.
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