[Hanoi5]

All red, you're in fourth seat with:

♠xx
♥Jx
♦Txxxx
♣Qxxx

And the bidding proceeds:

1♠ x 2♠ 3♦
3♠ 4♦ Pa Pa
4♠ Pa Pa ???

Maybe it wasn't your idea to bid 3♦, but just put yourself in that position and you can't ask for a redeal, what do you bid?

[gwnn]

pass

it doesn't really look like we can make does it?

so the way to win any significant number of imps is to try and beat their contract

[jdonn]

Sometimes partner has the AK of hearts and you are off to a fantastic start on defense.

But I abstain anyway based on the 3♦ bid.

[the hog]

jdonn, on Sep 24 2010, 06:44 AM, said:

Sometimes partner has the AK of hearts and you are off to a fantastic start on defense.

But I abstain anyway based on the 3♦ bid.

Agree with this. 3D was a shocker by the way.

[kayin801]

Pass, I usually don't overbid my hand twice.

I think they will make 4S without a problem. Partner hasn't Xed them after we showed something and we have no tricks and only a little help in clubs, so it's not outrageous for a sacrifice to cross our mind. But -800 seems too easy if we bid, and the hands that we go for less we might beat 4S.

[andy_h]

Pass. 3D was a huge overbid.

[aguahombre]

jdonn, on Sep 23 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Sometimes partner has the AK of hearts and you are off to a fantastic start on defense.

But I abstain anyway based on the 3♦ bid.

Good abstention

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on Sep 23 2010, 10:06 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 23 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

Sometimes partner has the AK of hearts and you are off to a fantastic start on defense.

But I abstain anyway based on the 3♦ bid.

Good abstention

you mean we need to have values to have our call make sense? Hmmm what is happening to BBF?

[whereagles]

Pass. One overbid per hand is more than enough

[gwnn]

practice active abstinence.

[Hanoi5]

Yeah, the 3♦ bid was exaggerated. But I said it. It wasn't your idea, you got there and there it was.

The problem came as a Director when (playing MP's by the way) this hand bid 5♦ after hesitation of his partner:

♠J
♥Kx
♦KQJxxx
♣AKJT

I returned the result to 4♠ making, but just wanted to have some 'proof' for the perpetrators.

As an aside question, do you think that hand is worth a double? I think 2♦ and then maybe ♣'s at some point is better.

[hanp]

I think the hand is worth a double but I would bid 2D.

Bidding 5D after we have already bid 3D on a balanced yarborough is crazy.

[gwnn]

whoa that doubler dude was certainly allowing his partner some leeway!!!

[moe_h]

3D may have been an underbid, but 4D was worse. An immediate 5D is marked.

So, what did the hesitation pass after 4S suggest? If the doubler was considering a penalty double, then the hesitation suggests defending. If 5D is not suggested by the hesitation, it must be allowed. If the double was suggesting a sacrifice, then 5D is indeed suggested over pass and/or double, and the 5D call must be reversed.

Can't tell whether the hesitation was about a penalty double or a sacrifice? Then the hesitation was ambiguous. With no LA meeting the criterion of "demonstrably suggested" the player is free to bid.

[gwnn]

gwnn, on Sep 24 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

whoa that doubler dude was certainly allowing his partner some leeway!!!

6 card support single raiseee wtffff

[bucky]

Bidding 5♦ now will mark you as a terrible bidder, regardless of your style. If you are going to bid 5♦ now, why not bidding it one round earlier? At least you'd put pressure to the opponents.

[bucky]

Hanoi5, on Sep 24 2010, 05:51 AM, said:

Yeah, the 3♦ bid was exaggerated. But I said it. It wasn't your idea, you got there and there it was.

The problem came as a Director when (playing MP's by the way) this hand bid 5♦ after hesitation of his partner:

♠J
♥Kx
♦KQJxxx
♣AKJT

I returned the result to 4♠ making, but just wanted to have some 'proof' for the perpetrators.

As an aside question, do you think that hand is worth a double? I think 2♦ and then maybe ♣'s at some point is better.

I'm sorry to say this, but the whole drama just doesn't belong in "Advanced and Expert-Class Bridge" category. Almost every bid was wrong, by either side (including the opponent who bids competitive 3♠ then 4♠).

[bucky]

moe_h, on Sep 24 2010, 02:31 PM, said:

3D may have been an underbid, but 4D was worse. An immediate 5D is marked.

So, what did the hesitation pass after 4S suggest? If the doubler was considering a penalty double, then the hesitation suggests defending. If 5D is not suggested by the hesitation, it must be allowed. If the double was suggesting a sacrifice, then 5D is indeed suggested over pass and/or double, and the 5D call must be reversed.

Can't tell whether the hesitation was about a penalty double or a sacrifice? Then the hesitation was ambiguous. With no LA meeting the criterion of "demonstrably suggested" the player is free to bid.

Look in this way: the hesitation suggests taking *some* action, while what "some" means is unclear. But since the person passed 4♦ before, his bidding of 5♦ may indeed be influenced by partner suggesting taking action, even though he might have guessed wrong which action it should be.

So in this case we can establish the presence of UI. Although we may not be able to tell exactly which UI it was (2 possibilities), we don't have to. Pass is a clear logical alternative regardless of what the UI suggests.