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#1 User is offline   Simplicity 

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Posted 2010-September-19, 16:22

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You reach 3NT by the South hand, and West leads the ♠4.

EW lead 4/2nd highest. Plan the play.
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Posted 2010-September-19, 17:22

4♠ must be 4th best so I only have 3 losers in ♠'s.
I have 5♣, 3♦, 1♥, 1♠ trick. Win the A♠, cash A,Q♦ then start on ♣'s?
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Posted 2010-September-19, 17:55

Surprising how often these B/I problems turn out to be difficult.

They could have led from Hxx or maybe West is trying to trick us. The likelihood of this will depend on the bidding to some extent. An alternative line is to hold up twice in spades or win A♥ if West switches. This gains if spades are 3-5 and West has ♣A.

It loses if East switches to a heart away from the king which would not be an easy defence to find when holding HHxx in the suit partner led. It also loses if East has KJ of hearts and West ♣A and he switches after the second spade. Maybe we can avoid the second losing scenario by winnng ♠A at trick two only if East returns the five since it would be dangerous and unusual for East to falsecard in that situation.

Overall I think this is for from obvious.
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Posted 2010-September-20, 03:04

nigel_k, on Sep 19 2010, 06:55 PM, said:

Surprising how often these B/I problems turn out to be difficult.

They could have led from Hxx or maybe West is trying to trick us. The likelihood of this will depend on the bidding to some extent. An alternative line is to hold up twice in spades or win A♥ if West switches. This gains if spades are 3-5 and West has ♣A.

It loses if East switches to a heart away from the king which would not be an easy defence to find when holding HHxx in the suit partner led. It also loses if East has KJ of hearts and West ♣A and he switches after the second spade. Maybe we can avoid the second losing scenario by winnng ♠A at trick two only if East returns the five since it would be dangerous and unusual for East to falsecard in that situation.

Overall I think this is for from obvious.

I think the auction might be useful here.

If it was say 1N(weak)-3N a lead from Hxx is rather less likely than if suits have been bid along the way. Certainly I'd assume spades were 4-4 on that auction and win the first one.
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Posted 2010-September-20, 08:04

jillybean, on Sep 19 2010, 06:22 PM, said:

4♠ must be 4th best so I only have 3 losers in ♠'s.
I have 5♣, 3♦, 1♥, 1♠ trick. Win the A♠,  cash A,Q♦ then start on ♣'s?

this is true you have 9+ tricks but the trick is to
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Posted 2010-September-20, 09:53

nigel_k, on Sep 19 2010, 11:55 PM, said:

Surprising how often these B/I problems turn out to be difficult.

It is actually quite hard to come up with a problem on a plausible contract that isn't a trivial beginners book problem, yet which is simple and pure enough for the b/i forum.

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Posted 2010-September-20, 10:02

I think a heart switch is unlikley against B/I opps, but small from Hxx is plausible (depending a bit on the auction of course), so the standard hold up ought to see you home most often.

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Posted 2010-September-20, 10:59

NickRW, on Sep 20 2010, 11:02 AM, said:

I think a heart switch is unlikley against B/I opps, but small from Hxx is plausible (depending a bit on the auction of course), so the standard hold up ought to see you home most often.

Nick

agree but they are even more zealous about opening lead agreements (good for them) :D so while chance of a ♥ switch is low non 4th best ♠ lead is even lower :)
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