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Dbl vs overcall

Poll: What do you bid? (45 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. Pass (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

  2. Dbl (3 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  3. 1S (41 votes [91.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.11%

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#1 User is offline   Free 

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Posted 2010-September-15, 05:33

Just curious what the current mainstream style is on a hand like this. You hold:


RHO opens 1 in 1st seat. Do you overcall 1 or do you Dbl? What's the main reasoning behind your choice?
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Posted 2010-September-15, 05:47

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my reasoning is that I have a 5 card major and this is how I will look for a fit in my 5 card major. there is also the nuisance factor.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 05:50

So far I am in the "vast majority" with two voted for 1S and one vote for double. My thinking is roughly the obvious: If partner has three spades we can compete in spades, if partner has as little as Qx I probably want a spade lead against their no trump contract. I can see a case for double but I go with 1S.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 06:05

I have 5 spades and no 4 Hearts.
I know that my choice will not always work, but I will always bid 1
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Posted 2010-September-15, 06:38

1 I'd do the same with 5431
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Posted 2010-September-15, 08:10

To use the words of free: I think double is seriously lol.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 08:14

Was double 'ever' the mainstream style with this hand type?
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Posted 2010-September-15, 08:25

So double is better when partner's hearts are at least 5 cards long and at least 3-cards longer than his spades, and he can't bid them over 1, he won't overcompete in hearts due to hoping for 4-card support.
Bidding spades is better whenever we have a spade fit, as we might not find it otherwise when partner has 3 spades, and as partner won't know of the big fit otherwise when he has 4 or more spades. It's also better when we get to play 1S in a 5-2 fit instead of 1/2red in a 4-3 fit. It's also better whenever partner is strong as we can describe our hand (which we can't anymore after a double).

Which one is more likely?
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Posted 2010-September-15, 09:55

Phil, on Sep 15 2010, 02:14 PM, said:

Was double 'ever' the mainstream style with this hand type?

I was reading an old (60's) book by Ron van der Porten where he emphasized doubling with this sort of hand. But I learned from Robert Ewen to bid the major first, double for takeout later. This hand is not strong enough to double and then bid spades; making a taekout double is asking to play in a 4-3 fit in preference to the 5-3 you'll never find by doubling.

I would not overcall such a poor suit with less than opening bid values.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 10:01

Even 5431 usually bids 1.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 10:05

I overcall 1. My reasoning is that double is ridiculous.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 16:11

1S
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Posted 2010-September-15, 17:25

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Make the suit 5 high and I would have to consider ;)
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Posted 2010-September-16, 09:39

Flameous, on Sep 15 2010, 06:25 PM, said:

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Make the suit 5 high and I would have to consider  :D

This is very true, overcalling 1 on 4 card suit headed by the 5 would be very different
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Posted 2010-September-16, 09:53

If Justin's answer to a poll is not "double", double is not to be considered :D .

I cannot imagine any gain from doubling.
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