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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2010-September-09, 13:59

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(P) P (1) ?

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Posted 2010-September-09, 14:09

I double, but wouldn't be surprised if others don't.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2010-September-09, 14:11

Easy 1 it's 17 without anything particularly special and a clear preference for what suit to play in.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 14:52

vuroth, on Sep 9 2010, 03:09 PM, said:

I double, but wouldn't be surprised if others don't.

Double also... bidding 2H next to show the strong DBL with a suit.
( It may be only 17, but those honors are well placed ).
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Posted 2010-September-09, 15:35

1, although I think double is OK if spades and hearts are reversed.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 15:46

my choice would be X and a rebid
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Posted 2010-September-09, 15:47

1. I've seen better 17 counts with 6 hearts.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 15:51

jdonn, on Sep 9 2010, 03:11 PM, said:

Easy 1 it's 17 without anything particularly special and a clear preference for what suit to play in.

Not to hijack but I find the range on a 1M overcall already crazy hard to deal with. If I occasionally need to make an aggressive light overcall, then I think even a less than spectacular 17 is going to have to be handled differently, or my partner will never know which way the wind is blowing.

Of course, I self rate as intermediate as best, so maybe I'm completely missing the boat on this argument.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2010-September-09, 15:56

1 for me, going to need help to get the potential out of this hand. On a really bad day even 1 could go down on pretty normal breaks.

Also, are the doublers bidding 3 if the auction goes (1S)-P-(2S)
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Posted 2010-September-09, 15:56

Heavy overcalls are o.k. IMO, there are too many light overcalls. I mark 10-17, occasionally light on the card. Seems like this hand fits.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 16:06

1.

I think X is practically terrible.

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Posted 2010-September-09, 16:12

Easy 1, this is a very mundane 17 count with the slight defect of a dub KJ. I'd like a better hand to X first. That would mean make one of my kings an ace or at the bare minimum give me good spots so I can better handle being opposite a stiff.

If PD can't raise 1 I don't think that I am missing anything and note that PD should raise from 1 to 2 with just about any hand that he'd raise an opening 1 bid with.

If I overcall 1 and the opps compete and it is passed around to me, I can X to show a max overcall.

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Posted 2010-September-09, 16:31

1H, I mark 7-18 but occasionally lighter.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 16:34

I would bid 1H but I don't find doubling to be terrible.

In fact meckwell double and bid much more aggressively than any pair I've seen and they are the best (imo).

This hand is just too soft though, even if you double with most 6322 17s.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 17:51

vuroth, on Sep 9 2010, 04:51 PM, said:

Not to hijack but I find the range on a 1M overcall already crazy hard to deal with.  If I occasionally need to make an aggressive light overcall, then I think even a less than spectacular 17 is going to have to be handled differently, or my partner will never know which way the wind is blowing.

Of course, I self rate as intermediate as best, so maybe I'm completely missing the boat on this argument.

I think at 1-level, you can afford to have wide-range overcalls. With a good hand partner has cuebid available so you can sort things out. With a mediocre or bad hand (with fit) partner can do simple or preemptive raise, and you will still be reasonably placed whether you overcalled heavily or lightly (assuming you are not going nuts with ultralight overcall when red).

While I don't think X is terrible on this hand, the value does seem soft, and doubleton spades are somewhat a flaw. Change DQ to SQ, then X will be much more comfortable.
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-10, 02:04

What a perfect hand for a 1 overcall.
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Posted 2010-September-10, 06:43

I overcall 1 even heavier :P
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Posted 2010-September-10, 07:34

I was kibitzing this hand in a tournament. Some doubled and either bid 4 over the 1N or 2 response or passed 2.
The majority bid 1 and played in some number of 's.

Partner held AJ5, T94, KT93, QT5
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Posted 2010-September-10, 07:59

I think 1 planning to bid 1NT over a 1 response is the plan I would make because it seems most descriptive without getting too high.

Shooting 3NT over 1NT seems best to me thanks to the spade jack.
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Posted 2010-September-10, 08:01

1H followed by 1NT does not do Justice to this hand.

And if partner bids 1NT I would bid 2H, we can always get back to 3NT later.
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