[pirate22]

Scenario----- One picks up a hand 3/3/3/4 12-19 range values all round.
we have all non vuln {A}
we red opps green {B}
all vuln {C}
we green opp vuln {D}

you open 1cl next hand x Pard bids 1d/1ht/1sp assume pard would redouble(9 points)so this must be showing a 5 card suit (MIN)to what end?????
change the shape of openers hand,to include 4 cards in pards bid.
I have found overall it helps the opps as to how far they go,with 4 card support for pards bid-do you raise? to what end?
Surely pards 1 bid whatever is not a rescue bid over my 1cl?? so one can assume its 6-8 points, to what end? especially if its 1d----if it is 1 major,that warns opps.

My conclusion with non reg partners,its a rescue. comments plse

[aguahombre]

Much easier to just pretend the double didn't happen --both of you. You presumably have a good, well-practiced set of responses to your 1C openings. Why let a call which takes up no room spoil all that?

Exceptions: 1C (X) 2C, just an old fashioned four card raise with no major.
1C (X) 2N inv+ club raise; 1C (X) 3C weak (or reverse those two bids if you wish.

The redouble just gets in the way of your own auction. Avoid it; you aren't likely to nail the opps at the one-level anyway.

[peachy]

Vulnerabilities do not matter in this case. You should not expect partner to Rdbl with all 9+ (or even 10+ which is a more common range), and you should expect partner to begin bidding his suits immediately. 1-level new suit is forcing for 1 round, over the Dbl.

[pirate22]

Agree with Aqua-but peachy--the redouble states the hand is ours Pard !!!
plse reconsider when p bids 1d/1h/1s-has pard 4/5/6 points????? to what end

[Stephen Tu]

You don't want to redouble with all your 9+ pt hands. The problem is that if you do, the opponents will preempt you in a suit you are short in, and have no interest in penalty doubling, and you have lost space to describe your hand. Your next bid may only be able to show one relevant feature of your hand, while if you had just bid your normal 1/1 you could show a second feature on the next round. You generally only want to xx with 10+ hands that are short in partner's suit and length in 2+ other suits looking to penalty double. Otherwise you are better off just bidding normally and not losing space. Redoubling with all strong hands might have worked better 60 years ago when opps didn't preempt quite as much.

And why bid with 6-8 pts? For constructive purposes, to find your best partial! (or possibly game if opener is strong). If you pass, opener doesn't know if you have a little something, or are just completely broke. You can find a fit to compete in, and it's generally best/safest/most effective to do this right away rather than guessing whether to balance later. You can certainly pass some hands in this range if your option is bidding bad 4 cd suit or just have a bad flat hand (might work out better to defend), but generally you want to bid with shortness (2-) in a major, or if you have a good suit. It's the easiest way to find your best partial, obstructs the opps, and can direct an effective lead.

As opener, of course you raise partner when appropriate for all sorts of reasons - one you may have game, as partner can have a strong hand and not redouble, and two you obstruct the opponents. You aren't going to buy the contract at the one level with a fit and only half the deck! Raise to 2M, make them play 3m if they want to compete. Even if 2M goes down, the opps almost always would make their contract, and sometimes they will misdefend and let you make it.

There's also very little need to "rescue" partner. They aren't going to pass a takeout double at the 1 level very often! You bid for constructive reasons, not to escape penalties before advancer has even passed for penalties yet!

[Free]

I don't even use RDbl to show a 9+HCP hand anymore...

[Dirk Kuijt]

Free

So, what is XX in your system?

[Zelandakh]

Dirk Kuijt, on Sep 8 2010, 02:45 PM, said:

Free

So, what is XX in your system?

Transfer to diamonds I would assume - it's the method all the kool cats seem to be using.

[peachy]

pirate22, on Sep 7 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

Agree with Aqua-but peachy--the redouble states the hand is ours Pard !!!
plse reconsider when p bids 1d/1h/1s-has pard 4/5/6 points????? to what end

I should have said "Do not expect a good player to Rdbl with all 9+ hands".
It is an agreement that you may wish to have with your partners, to Rdbl with all 9+ hands. But that agreement is not wise, and I would not agree to it if asked to play that way.

[aguahombre]

Dirk Kuijt, on Sep 8 2010, 08:45 AM, said:

Free

So, what is XX in your system?

He already implied he doesn't use it; and I explained why, in the last line of mine.

XX can show a balanced 11+ NT to replace 2NT showing good or bad club raise.

[pirate22]

Reading urther comments-which i am not poo pooing.

I still maintain,partner remains silent over the x with 4/5/6/7 points,but with 9+
redoubles----agree there can be bouncing actions by opps,but we have the balance of points {with the redouble) opps not likely to bounce,if they do,the opener, can assume the hand is theirs,and can rebid whatever.and if all goes quiet,when opener rebids,partner now with 4/5/6/7 can push.
I take note that the comment of the xx is old hat,because of now agrresive bidding today. hence my difficulty in giving it up,not all old hat themes are to be dropped.
still not convinced-I cannot percieve that pard starts bidding his 4 card suit over a x with4/5/6/7/ points {rescue mission} my 1cl opener can be a xx club NOT FORCING----------------- regards