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#1 User is offline   BudH 

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Posted 2010-August-17, 00:13

Finals of a top flight regional knockout, you have a 24 imp lead at the half, and this is the 5th board of 12 second half boards. The second half so far has felt about average.

You are vulnerable

xx
A8x
KT8xx
K9x

2H* 2NT Pass 3NT
4H Pass Pass ?

*2H = hearts and another suit

Your call?
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Posted 2010-August-17, 00:38

4NT

its extremely close.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 00:54

X.

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Posted 2010-August-17, 01:08

are the opp nonvul?
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Posted 2010-August-17, 01:43

X

Anything else is shooting for to small a target.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 05:40

I bet that they could take the first n spade tricks, with N >3.

So I would double.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 07:04

double because it seems RHO hasn't yet concluded that their best fit is spades and so far this is a stupid contract.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 07:42

OleBerg, on Aug 17 2010, 02:43 AM, said:

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Anything else is shooting for to small a target.

just like the center of your answer and I prefer concentric circles myself :rolleyes:
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Posted 2010-August-18, 00:57

Is he baiting us with S:AKQxx, H:KQJxxxx, m:x, m:-??
To get back bunches right now. I'll bite double --that sob story is just way precious for the rehash later.
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  Posted 2010-August-19, 13:44

Feels very wrong to double here. I can't logically explain it, but I'm going with my gut.

I bid 4NT, to protect teammates. I've seen a hand from one of my readings where this ended up hitting paydirt since the preemptor was walking the dog.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 15:34

If Budh is my partner then 6C.

Else double.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 15:56

Not sure I'd have thought of 4NT at the table, but I like it!
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Posted 2010-August-19, 15:59

Scoring: IMP



(2*)-2NT-(P)- 3NT
(4)-P-(P)-4NT
All Pass

*2 = hearts and another suit

Opening lead: 9

Despite being up 24 imps at the half, this board was key as teammates had a rare poor set. The north hand bid 4NT, making 5 on a heart lead after West eventually won the club ace and underled his spade ace hoping for at least Kxxx in East's hand.

4 made 4 at the other table and 4NT made 5 for a net 1080 point difference (win 15 imps). Even if 4NT was down 2 on a spade lead, it would still have been a 220 point difference to the good (win 6 imps).

If you doubled 4 you lose a net 170 on this hand and lose 5 imps and lose the match by 2 imps!
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Posted 2010-August-19, 21:44

How did 4 make at the other table? It looks like it should go one down, or several down if declarer tries to make it.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-August-20, 02:44

And why did west lead a heart?

If partner bids 4 heart on his own, their are two possibilities:
First he holds hearts with hearts. Impossible after the bidding, even if he messed up the 2 opening.

Second: He holds Hearts and spades, because with a minor, he had bid the minor.

So, why do you lead a heart as West? No way.
And after a spade lead, you are quite unhappy that you did not double.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 06:10

Codo, on Aug 20 2010, 03:44 AM, said:

And why did west lead a heart?

If partner bids 4 heart on his own, their are two possibilities:
First he holds hearts with hearts. Impossible after the bidding, even if he messed up the 2 opening.

Second: He holds Hearts and spades, because with a minor, he had bid the minor.

So, why do you lead a heart as West? No way.
And after a spade lead, you are quite unhappy that you did not double.

Since East/West can make ten tricks in spades (and also hearts depending on the defense), going down 200 in 4NT isn't that bad!
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Posted 2010-August-20, 08:54

Lol what is this pass of 4H by West?
So both 4HX and 4NT are down, but if both sides misdefend badly then you have to bid 4NT over 4H.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 09:13

One double-dummy reason not to double 4 is that it may lead to defending 4x, which looks rather hard to beat.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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