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(1Nt)--X--(XX)--???
Weak NT, XX is a 2 suiters sos.
Should advancer bid with a weak hand so that pass show points and setup forcing pass ?
What is expert standard here ?
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advance after weak NT been X and rescue XX (1Nt)--X--(XX)--???
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Posted 2010-August-19, 08:28
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2010-August-19, 08:32
It can't be right to bid with any weak hand, or any strong hand. With a 4333 I would pass regardless of strength. We might be better off defending, and otherwise maybe partner needs the room to show has hand.
It is probably right that direct action should be weaker than delayed action, though.
It is probably right that direct action should be weaker than delayed action, though.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 11:19
Be glad that XX is forcing and they are not about to catch you. A direct action must show game interest in a suit.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 15:32
Agree with Helene.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 15:45
If you usually play that
1NT dbl 2x pass is forcing
and
1NT dbl 2x bid is weak
then it's consistent and logical to do the same here.
If you don't, then it's not.
1NT dbl 2x pass is forcing
and
1NT dbl 2x bid is weak
then it's consistent and logical to do the same here.
If you don't, then it's not.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-August-19, 16:04
I strongly think you should play that pass shows values. Thinking you are off the hook with a weak hand is an illusion as if they run and then partner doubles for take-out and you have solved nothing and may now be at the three level!
Pass clarifies whose hand it is immediately, can put you in penalty mode (if you want), or just enables easy subsequent bidding without guessing.
Pass clarifies whose hand it is immediately, can put you in penalty mode (if you want), or just enables easy subsequent bidding without guessing.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 17:27
I play that all weak hands must bid, otherwise we set up a forcing pass beneath 2NT. So for me even, a 4333 bids here. It's just so much more comfortable that way, and stops issues with hesitations etc. It also means we're settled regardless of the meaning of the XX.
For instance, it's common in the UK for XX to be a single-suited escape, relay to 2♣. Then with me (and also in genera with other bids), pass shows the balance of points, so we can have a nice FP auction.
With a poor 4=3=3=3 I bid 2♣ confidently, and the opps almost always bid on, then I can pass happily with no FP.
For instance, it's common in the UK for XX to be a single-suited escape, relay to 2♣. Then with me (and also in genera with other bids), pass shows the balance of points, so we can have a nice FP auction.
With a poor 4=3=3=3 I bid 2♣ confidently, and the opps almost always bid on, then I can pass happily with no FP.
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Posted 2010-August-20, 10:39
Can I use XXX for strong (No wait that's porno prefix. Sorry)? So pass is weak.
Use 2C weak: nothing up to not wanting penalty double of 2S.
Freeing pass for establishes forcing passes.
Must intend penalizing weak 1N often as a strategy.
Use 2C weak: nothing up to not wanting penalty double of 2S.
Freeing pass for establishes forcing passes.
Must intend penalizing weak 1N often as a strategy.
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Posted 2010-August-21, 13:09
I don't see why we shouldn't apply normal bridge principles to this situation. So:
Bid: I have 5+ cards with some values, NF of course
Pass: I have nothing, or I am roughly balanced and waiting for the bidding to proceed. A later double is for take-out.
Several styles are possible here for sure, but it seems particularly silly if we are obliged to bid something directly with nothing and a balanced hand.
Bid: I have 5+ cards with some values, NF of course
Pass: I have nothing, or I am roughly balanced and waiting for the bidding to proceed. A later double is for take-out.
Several styles are possible here for sure, but it seems particularly silly if we are obliged to bid something directly with nothing and a balanced hand.
Michael Askgaard
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