[skorchev]

No vul.

me Rob1 Rob2 Rob3
Pass pass pass 1Cl
DBL 1Sp 2He Pass
Pass 2Sp 3He Pass
Pass 3Sp 4He Pass
Pass 4Sp Pass Pass
DBL Pass 5H Pass ... /Down 2

I wonder how the program works and what they think about partner's and opp's hands and who they believe more - their p or their opps?

My hand: AQ9x K10x 10xx Kxx
Rob1: K10xxx x A9xxx xx
Rob2: J QJ9xxx QJ Q109x
Rob 3: xxx Axx Kxx AJxx

[barmar]

While it doesn't really excuse GIB's bidding, you don't really have your takeout double.

In general, GIB tends to bid very aggressively with shortness in the opponent's suit.

[gwnn]

your double is not defined so by default he assumes a takeout double. tread with care.

basically every double is takeout except

1x-p-1y-(jump overcall)
dbl

[peachy]

I don't like the takeout double at all. If you felt you have to bid with this hand, then go ahead and open 1C in first seat. I like that better than the delayed takeout double.

The robots like to bid a lot with shortness in the opponents' suit - a pretty solid principle in general, but sometimes they also "forget" that you were a passed hand before you made the delayed takeout double.

[Bbradley62]

So, imagine the hands were:
Human: KQ9x K10xx 10xx Kx
Rob1: A10xxx - A9xxx xxx
Rob2&Rob3 same as original...

The auction and result would/could have been the same. The question is:
If you were sitting in Rob2's seat, would you recognize the double of 4♠ as being penalty-oriented, and would you leave it in?

If your answer is "yes, but it is undefined to GIB", then that is the point of the original post. GIB should be "taught" that this double is penalty-oriented.

[gwnn]

I know and I agree; GIB should know more about penalty doubles. However, the opening poster appears to think that GIB somehow mistrusted him. I just wanted to say that GIB didn't mistrust him, GIB just didn't know that this was a penalty double.

[Bbradley62]

cool... on same page now...

[skorchev]

I'm getting very excited when some is teaching me how to play:

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While it doesn't really excuse GIB's bidding, you don't really have your takeout double.

This one is great:

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I don't like the takeout double at all. If you felt you have to bid with this hand, then go ahead and open 1C in first seat. I like that better than the delayed takeout double.

And the thing I like most is when someone explain me what I tried to do/say:

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However, the opening poster appears to think that GIB somehow mistrusted him. I just wanted to say that GIB didn't mistrust him, GIB just didn't know that this was a penalty double.

It's GIB bridge for money, not a social or competitive bridge with humans. The hand is opening one, but it doesn't worth much to score +110 or something like this.
After opp's opening the double is take-out which means 3+ cards in other suits and maximum passed hand (8-11). I'm not sure how GIB understands it, but it should be something like this.
After that the both pairs have established some balance - 2He is competitive bid, not a bid which intends to bid a game. So after we have established some balance DBLs are action/co-operative and at higher levels they should be penalty.

I'm posting here not because I want you to tell me what I should bid, not because I want pity. I understand that there was no definition for my DBL at 4S and GIB doesn't get it as penalty. I'm simply posting this, because some of the developers may read it and may implement this situation "telling" GIB that this double is penalty.

As I get it, the GIB thread is for reporting bugs and stuff like this. So, please, let's not teach each other how to play bridge, there are enough threads around about asking questions and giving advices.

Greetings,
Stefan

[gwnn]

skorchev, on Aug 7 2010, 06:08 PM, said:

No vul.

me Rob1 Rob2 Rob3
Pass pass pass 1Cl
DBL  1Sp  2He Pass
Pass 2Sp  3He Pass
Pass 3Sp  4He Pass
Pass 4Sp Pass Pass
DBL Pass 5H Pass ... /Down 2

I wonder how the program works and what they think about partner's and opp's hands and who they believe more - their p or their opps?

My hand: AQ9x K10x 10xx Kxx
Rob1: K10xxx x A9xxx xx
Rob2: J QJ9xxx QJ Q109x
Rob 3: xxx Axx Kxx AJxx

(underlining mine) Well I'm sorry it still looks like you're wondering how the program works and that you got the impression that GIB doesn't trust you.

[cloa513]

An obvious question is why GIB keeps rebidding hearts by itself rather than just bid hearts at a higher level in the first response to the double?

[skorchev]

gwnn, on Aug 11 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

skorchev, on Aug 7 2010, 06:08 PM, said:

No vul.

me Rob1 Rob2 Rob3
Pass pass pass 1Cl
DBL  1Sp  2He Pass
Pass 2Sp  3He Pass
Pass 3Sp  4He Pass
Pass 4Sp Pass Pass
DBL Pass 5H Pass ... /Down 2

I wonder how the program works and what they think about partner's and opp's hands and who they believe more - their p or their opps?

My hand: AQ9x K10x 10xx Kxx
Rob1: K10xxx x A9xxx xx
Rob2: J QJ9xxx QJ Q109x
Rob 3: xxx Axx Kxx AJxx

(underlining mine) Well I'm sorry it still looks like you're wondering how the program works and that you got the impression that GIB doesn't trust you.

It was supposed to be rhetoric. It should be "?!" at the end instead of "?" - my bad, sorry.

[barmar]

Unfortunately, GIB does tend to believe opponents. The more they bid his short suit, the more valuable he thinks his shortness is, so he thinks it's OK to compete.