How do you play those common doubles ?

#1 bluecalm

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Posted 2010-August-05, 12:56

1)
1♠ - pass - 2♠ - 3♣
pass - pass - dbl = ?

2)
1♠ - pass - 2♠ - 3♥
pass - pass - dbl = ?

I am not sure and my friends seem to disagree on this one so I need some opinions

#2 kfay

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Posted 2010-August-05, 13:02

Penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The furthest away from that I'm willing to go is 'cooperative'

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Posted 2010-August-05, 13:03

btw I hope it's clear why 1st and 2nd are different :-)

If you play maximal double (do you ?) then you need t/o double in 2nd to be able to penalize them if trump stack is behind their suit.

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Posted 2010-August-05, 13:04

Traditionally these were penalty oriented, but never pure penalty given that we are under the overcaller.

These days I expect the popular usage is extra values with a desire to compete or defend depending on opener's preference. Say, on the first hand, something like Qxx AJxx Qxxx xx. Definitely convertible.

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Posted 2010-August-05, 13:22

I have agreed these to show a maximum balanced 3-card raise. You can translate that as "as close to penalty as they come, without being called Penalty"
Same as 1S(P)2S(P)P 3C. And if they balance with a Dbl, then Rdbl is the maximum balanced 3-card raise.

Opener is allowed to pull with a hand unsuitable for defending.

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Posted 2010-August-06, 15:41

peachy, on Aug 5 2010, 02:22 PM, said:

I think 1S (P) 2S (3C) P (P) is different from 1S (P) 2S (P) P (3C). In the first sequence, if opener truly has a hand that is unsuitable to defend, he probably would have already "pulled" to 3S earlier.

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Posted 2010-August-06, 16:01

Penalty.

I might not describe them as penalty opposite a partner who believes that 'penalty' means pass regardless of your hand and the context of the auction.

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Posted 2010-August-06, 18:17

Agree with maximum balanced 3 card raise with good offense and good defense. I guess it matters if youre playing imps or MP but I would not be willing to pass out 3H with xxx Ax Axxx Qxxx, and just bidding 3S is pretty dumb.

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