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#1 User is offline   kenrexford 

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Posted 2010-August-06, 17:09

I have been away from BBF for a while, busy with publishing and with preparing system notes for Philadelphia. But, I saw what appeared to me to be a botched line on a slam in the US Bridge Championship by Moss, with a terribly inept analysis by the ACBL Bulletin. Have y'all already discussed the hand? I found it fascinating, both with what I think should happen at trick two and trick three, plus what happens in many lines with five cards remaining.

I sent a letter to the editor on the hand, and Manley came back with what I think to be an ironically inane comment that declaring would be easier double dummy. The line I see is one that seems right single-dummy (Eichenbaum went with that line before seeing the full deal when I gave it to him, which confirmed what I thought), and the irony is that the Bulletin analysis seems flawed precisely because of double dummy errors (failure to cater to that which was not but well could have been).

The problem was playing 6 (opponents silent) by South after the lead of the diamond King:




My line:

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Posted 2010-August-06, 17:36

You pretty much need 3-2 trumps anyway to have any hope. I would take Ace, ruff, club to ace, ruff, K, then exit K (no point giving them an option on who wins the spade).

With your line, you still need 3-2 trumps, and you go down if spades are 2-5 (or 5-2 with the person with 2 spades having 2 trumps). Not to mention that if the defence switches to a trump after winning the spade, it would make communication a little awkward and would likely need the A to come down in 3.

Edited as I misread Moss' line.
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Posted 2010-August-06, 21:03

manudude03, on Aug 6 2010, 06:36 PM, said:

You pretty much need 3-2 trumps anyway to have any hope. I would take Ace, ruff, club to ace, ruff, K, then exit K (no point giving them an option on who wins the spade).

With your line, you still need 3-2 trumps, and you go down if spades are 2-5 (or 5-2 with the person with 2 spades having 2 trumps). Not to mention that if the defence switches to a trump after winning the spade, it would make communication a little awkward and would likely need the A to come down in 3.

Edited as I misread Moss' line.

Your assessment of my line is insanely wrong. My reasons:

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Plus, your line fails on a much simpler problem:

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Posted 2010-August-06, 21:19

I didn't read kens line and I don't know brad's line (to avoid biasing myself). I think the right line is to just ruff a diamond and play a spade.
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Posted 2010-August-06, 21:25

So if I understand it correctly, ken and I agree, and brad chose to play a spade at trick 2?

Maybe I put too much emphasis into LHO not leading a (stiff) club, so I think the clubs should be treated as solid. As such my goal is to ruff 2 diamonds. I'm worried about playing a spade up immediately because this may lead to an uppercut as ken mentioned, and it may make it hard to ruff off both of my diamonds.

I'm sure Brad had a good reason for what he did though and I was not at the table obv. Or maybe he was tired or whatever and just took an inferior line, despite how good Brad is I doubt it would be the first time it ever happened. For now I will assume that I might have looked something over in the analysis though heh, I didn't think about it for too long.
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