[Nilz]

Scoring: MP

(1♦)-1♥-(1♠)-P
(2♦)-2♥-(2♠)-3♥
AP

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3H made +1. Do you want to be in 4? If so, who is most to blame?

[TylerE]

Four doesn't look that good to me. I'm guessing you caught a lucky club posistion? That said...after 3♥ I probably couldn't NOT bid 4.

[wank]

east has made no effort to show his good hand (in context). i'd rather jump directly to game than bid 3H. he's got a 3D cuebid available to describe his hand nicely though.

i'd say game's worth being in - on the bidding the AK of diamonds and the ace of spades are likely to be in the slot. you can probably ruff the 3rd diamond in dummy anyway unless the opps are clever enough to lead trumps, they don't break 2-2 and there's an unfortunate division of the high cards such that one hand has all the entries to draw them.

[cherdanno]

I hate passing over 1♠ with East's hand - A, K, 3-card support and a doubleton.

Having passed, East missed a chance to show his supermax pass with 3♦, as wank said. I mean, what can it cost?
So there isn't really any blame (it's not a good game at MPs), but still East made one arguably bad bid (pass), and one definite mistake (3H).

[ggwhiz]

The 1♦ bidder has the points the ♠ bidder has the length.

Since I have to guess correctly who has the ♠ Ace it's 50-50 on the surface. If it's behind the King I can choose to ruff it out but a trump lead is problematic too.

I would have bid 2♥ over 1♠ but all in all, a take it or leave it game and this doesn't necessarily get us to game either cause my pard knows how aggressive this 2♥ bid can be.

[jdonn]

I am failing to see how this is not a good game. I am also failing to see why east didn't raise on the first round.

Even when it can be set (if you misguess spades) they may defend incorrectly. For example, 3 rounds of diamonds with south hoping north can overruff dummy. Then trump to hand and a spade to the king and even if it loses there could be a squeeze on north. And who is to say the 3rd round of diamonds was an error?

[Phil]

jdonn, on Jul 30 2010, 11:54 AM, said:

I am failing to see how this is not a good game. I am also failing to see why east didn't raise on the first round.

Even when it can be set (if you misguess spades) they may defend incorrectly. For example, 3 rounds of diamonds with south hoping north can overruff dummy. Then trump to hand and a spade to the king and even if it loses there could be a squeeze on north. And who is to say the 3rd round of diamonds was an error?

Yeah, 4♥ kind of looks like a neat play problem and an exercise in %. I'd want to be ATT for this one

Re: the blame - please raise to 2♥ on these hands (and hands a little bit worse too). After that, I'd drive to game with West, or at least try with 3♣.

If East passes, initially I think 3♦ shows a hand with about one more Q-K and one less trump, since the actual hand is 'impossible'.

[billw55]

Agree blame to east. 2♥ is 100%.

[jdonn]

Phil, on Jul 30 2010, 12:12 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 30 2010, 11:54 AM, said:

I am failing to see how this is not a good game. I am also failing to see why east didn't raise on the first round.

Even when it can be set (if you misguess spades) they may defend incorrectly. For example, 3 rounds of diamonds with south hoping north can overruff dummy. Then trump to hand and a spade to the king and even if it loses there could be a squeeze on north. And who is to say the 3rd round of diamonds was an error?

Yeah, 4♥ kind of looks like a neat play problem and an exercise in %. I'd want to be ATT for this one

Re: the blame - please raise to 2♥ on these hands (and hands a little bit worse too). After that, I'd drive to game with West, or at least try with 3♣.

If East passes, initially I think 3♦ shows a hand with about one more Q-K and one less trump, since the actual hand is 'impossible'.

I was just an aside but I mean, all we need to make is to figure out who has the ace of spades and to not lose the 3rd diamond (ruff in dummy, AK onside, they lead Hx on lead). Looks like a good game to me!

[Fluffy]

you are looking for blame, and the obvious one is that east forgot to bid 2♥ for a reason unknown to anyone.

[pooltuna]

yes East was asleep at the wheel when he didn't make a 2♥ call over 1♠. He must have been dreaming that partner would be able to protect his ♠ holding in this auction instead of simply supporting with support. I can't imagine why East would want to play 1♠x in this auction which destroys his only reason for not making the obv immediate raise.

[pooltuna]

cherdanno, on Jul 30 2010, 11:48 AM, said:

I hate passing over 1♠ with East's hand - A, K, 3-card support and a doubleton.
[snip]

You have a gift for understatement here

[neilkaz]

Fluffy, on Jul 30 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

you are looking for blame, and the obvious one is that east forgot to bid 2♥ for a reason unknown to anyone.

I remain amazed at how many on BBO don't know how to raise pard's overcall.

2♥ = 100%

[nigel_k]

Agree East has an obvious raise to 2♥ with values to spare. I really hope in the post-mortem East didn't suggest West should double instead of 1♥.

[lmilne]

obvious double instead of 1♥!

... wait, agree with nigel_k

[the hog]

neilkaz, on Jul 31 2010, 02:22 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Jul 30 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

you are looking for blame, and the obvious one is that east forgot to bid 2♥ for a reason unknown to anyone.

I remain amazed at how many on BBO don't know how to raise pard's overcall.

2♥ = 100%

Yes.