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#1 User is offline   billw55 

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Posted 2010-July-23, 12:10

♠AQT75
♥T
♦KT2
♣J952

XIMPs, favorable, partner deals and passes, RHO bids 1♥. Which is it? Is this a style choice, or more basic?
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Posted 2010-July-23, 12:15

1♠ for me. Turn the J of ♣ into either the K or the QJT and I'd X.
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Posted 2010-July-23, 12:16

Don't I have 5 spades or am I miscounting?
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Posted 2010-July-23, 12:16

I can't imagine not bidding Spades.

You hand is only worth one call. You want that call to be in Spades:

1. Spades is your longest suit
2. Spades is your strongest suit
3. Spades is the master suit
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Posted 2010-July-23, 12:46

The closest hand I could think of that I'd double with, keeping the spades and the distribution constant, is

AQTxx
x
AKx
AJxx

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Posted 2010-July-23, 13:52

Unanimous 1S?
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Posted 2010-July-23, 14:47

even thinking about double is a misbid. This is NOT a style issue....not if you claim to be playing anything remotely resembling normal bridge as it is played in NA, at least.
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Posted 2010-July-23, 15:34

As I've been told many times, "bid your hand" 1♠
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Posted 2010-July-23, 17:16

hanp, on Jul 23 2010, 02:52 PM, said:

Unanimous 1S?

I wouldn't use any special conventional meaning to 1♠ like unanimous but that is the call I would make like everybody else so far :P
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Posted 2010-July-23, 17:32

Double is not even my second choice. I admit it's my third choice though. But both second and third are very distant.
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Posted 2010-July-23, 17:36

TylerE, on Jul 23 2010, 01:15 PM, said:

1♠ for me. Turn the J of ♣ into either the K or the QJT and I'd X.

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Posted 2010-July-23, 18:39

Agree with Maggieb!
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Posted 2010-July-23, 19:42

Pardon my LOL at the suggestion to double !! 1♠ getting my fine 5 card boss suit into the auction quickly and at the lowest possible level is more than 100% clear.

Even if you make my ten of ♥ a ♦ spot so that I am 5044 I still overcall with this nice suit.

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Posted 2010-July-23, 19:43

billw55, on Jul 24 2010, 01:10 AM, said:

♠AQT75
♥T
♦KT2
♣J952

XIMPs, favorable, partner deals and passes, RHO bids 1♥. Which is it? Is this a style choice, or more basic?

1S for me.
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Posted 2010-July-26, 14:43

OK that settles that. lol

So is the suit quality a big factor here? For example, let's rearrange the honors and change the hand to:

♠JT752
♥T
♦KQ2
♣AT52

Is this still 1♠ lol, because of the 5 card suit?
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Posted 2010-July-26, 17:31

still 1S lol ;)

you can double with a biddable 5cM if you have

4531 or 4513 and you are short in their minor and not too strong.
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Posted 2010-July-28, 11:15

What is partner most likely to have? 3 spades, 4 clubs or 5 diamonds? No brainer. If you double you have probably lost forever the chance of playing in a 5-3 spade fit. Always overcall 1S with that shape 11-17HCP and also 7-10 with about 6+ points in spades. If you are strong say 17HCP, you overcall 1S and then the bidding goes 1H-(1S)-2H-p; p-? now you can double for take out. Much better than 1H-(x)-2H-p; p-2S which suggests a powerful hand with just spades.
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Posted 2010-July-28, 11:37

1S.

First of all, X would promise opening strength for most, and 2nd, you have the spades,
5 of them, show them.

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Posted 2010-July-28, 11:39

billw55, on Jul 26 2010, 03:43 PM, said:

OK that settles that. lol

So is the suit quality a big factor here? For example, let's rearrange the honors and change the hand to:

♠JT752
♥T
♦KQ2
♣AT52

Is this still 1♠ lol, because of the 5 card suit?

Now it becomes more interesting, although most peoble
would still overcall 1S, simply because of the two flaws,
too weak for a T/O, 5 spades, add HCP, make the suit
weaker and you will find peoble, who would start to make
a T/O at one point.

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