[jillybean]

Mbodell, on Jul 23 2010, 03:51 PM, said:

I definitely prefer standard discards as I tend to discard cards from suits I don't like (and thus discard lower cards).  For standard count I think you have to think how often will it be bad to play hi-low or low-high with a certain number of cards.  For me, if I have 3 cards in a suit, I want to keep the highest 2 (generally), where as if I have 4 cards in a suit, I can still keep the highest 2 playing standard count.

I play upside down attitude, count, discards and standard suit preference.

Isn't one of the benefits of you-dee-see-ay discards so that when you discard from a suit you don't like you can afford to discard the higher card, or if you need to signal from a suit you like you aren't using up the high cards.

[Furlan]

Since the matter is being discussed, I'll ask the question which has been disturbing me for a couple of years: how to pronounce SAYC?

[peachy]

When spoken, I just say "upside down count and attitude". When written, no need to pronunciate.

[peachy]

Furlan, on Jul 23 2010, 10:52 PM, said:

Since the matter is being discussed, I'll ask the question which has been disturbing me for a couple of years: how to pronounce SAYC?

The Yellow Card. Or EssayWhySee. Just list the letters.
However, for no reson at all, it remains a mystery to many SAYC-players what SAYC actually is. Getting the thread further away from topic. Sorry.

[jjbrr]

Ess Ay Why See

"Saik" is meaningless.

[kgr]

Interesting.
I, being no English speaker, pronounce both abbreviations SAYC and udca as words and not as letters. (I learned these words by reading them)
It seems that English speakers either use the letters or the original words.
I wonder if this is a common thing (and if none English speakers will follow my behavior more)

[Pict]

I think English speakers are more likely to say it as a word, if it happens to be a real word, or sounds like a real word, ie follows typical word rhythms.

For example, strategic arms limitation talks was typically pronounced as the word SALT.

[blackshoe]

This English speaker would pronounce SAYC "say-cee" and "udca" "you-dee-cee-a", that last being a long a, as in "bay".

[mycroft]

SAYC: "standard american". the YC is silent - it's not like they've actually read the Yellow Card.
2/1, of course, is therefore pronounced "sub-standard american". Please note, with one partner, that's exactly what we put on our card as our system.

UDAttitide only: the answer I gave when asked Free's question: "discouraging, of course. Attitude to partner's leads unless an exception applies". Why should attitude and count necessarily match? Of course, A/ttitude, K/ount is resolvable that way, but if opener doesn't ask, how does third hand know whether to give attitude or count - with xxxx, rather than xx, say?

UDSP: I used to play that, as well, because my partner wanted to. Why? "Because we play everything upside down; I can't remember the exception." Seems odd to me, but what matter? We labelled it, Marked the big "SPECIAL CARDING PLEASE ASK" box, pre-Alerted it, and played it, so at least in our case, there was no intent to confuse.

[blackshoe]

I once put 'Modern American' at the top of my 2/1 system card, only to have an opponent who could read quite well the checkbox right below this indicating that a 2/1 response is game forcing complain that the name was "misleading".

[Elianna]

kgr, on Jul 23 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

Interesting.
I, being no English speaker, pronounce both abbreviations SAYC and udca as words and not as letters. (I learned these words by reading them)
It seems that English speakers either use the letters or the original words.
I wonder if this is a common thing (and if none English speakers will follow my behavior more)

I'm not sure if I count as a native English speaker (it's complicated) but I pronounce them both "oodkah" and "saik" mentally, but if someone asks what I'm willing to play (speaking, not online) I would say "upside down count and attitude" (I know people that place udsp) or "the yellow card" (if I wanted to play SAYC) or "standard american" if I didn't want to play the yellow card, but still wanted to play SA.

[JavaBean]

If I'm using them in a meaningful sentence, I usually go with "upside down" and "yellow card". But if I'm reading someone's BBO profile, for example, I pronounce them uhd-kuh and say-see. Although I never use it, I like the more descriptive "say yuck"