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#1 User is offline   Coelacanth 

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Posted 2010-July-19, 13:16

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I decided to open the above hand 1. (Is there a case to be made for 4 or even 2?) The auction proceeded 2 on my left, 2 from partner, 3 and I bid 4. It went pass, pass, and RHO tried 5.

Considering the vulnerability and form of scoring, do you bid 5, double, or pass which is presumably forcing? Or bid something else (5 anyone?)

Here's another declare/defend decision around spades.
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I haven't encountered this particular sequence before, but my initial assumption that playing a double here as pure penalty is "standard". Anyone play anything different?

Anyway you have lots of options here including a forcing pass, double, 3NT, maybe a cuebid, maybe 4 or 4. If you pass, it runs around to your partner who doubles. How penaltyish is this double, and now what do you do?
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Posted 2010-July-19, 14:08

The first hand I am not defending anything expect probably 7. I mean is too much to expect parter to hold

My inclination is to check for aces over 2 as long as partner has an Ace aren't you always at least 25% to make slam.

On the second hand yeah I hit it and don't consider any other call after hearing partner bid in my void.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 14:12

Recent fortune cookie advice:

Raise of 8-card suit? Bid one more.

Void in partner's suit? Double.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 14:14

I would have bid 3 so that we're in a forcing pass on the first one. Now I'd bid 5 in case partner can boost to slam.

Saw off the second one.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 14:38

4 on the first one was too yellow, double on the second one if it will be taken as penalty (if not Pass and Pass partner's double).

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Posted 2010-July-19, 14:52

hanp, on Jul 19 2010, 01:12 PM, said:

Recent fortune cookie advice:

Raise of 8-card suit? Bid one more.

Void in partner's suit? Double.

I got the same thing in mine except it told me I was an idiot if I didn't do that.

Pass not forcing on the first one.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 14:59

I think you're going to the wrong Chinese restaurant.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 16:06

1S is a fine opening bid. After that, when partner raises you to 2S I would be considering slam. As little as Axx xx xxxx xxxx is a cold slam.

Once you have just bid 4S, you are not in a forcing pass. You might jump to 4S on a distributional hand without many HCP. I would definitely bid though!

On the 2nd hand if you play 2/1 GF then double is penalty as you're in a FP. If you play 2/1 not GF then double is not penalty since you aren't in a forcing pass, and will often need to double when you have GF values.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 16:35

We haven't bid enough already on the first one and its too late to catch up. Nevertheless I keep bidding.

On the second one double is not penalties for me. Its not clear what is best though.

Passing hoping for a double from partner risks playing 3 undoubled although this might not always be bad. Perhaps a worse risk is when partner bids 4 over our pass.

3NT may induce partner to like his clubs as we will often be balanced for this call.

Double obviously risks missing 3NT or a penalty and almost certainly just creates another problem for us on the next round of bidding.
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Posted 2010-July-20, 07:54

Thanks for the replies everyone.

On the first hand, partner had something like
QJT Qxxx Jxx Qxx.

I bid 5 and made it exactly, losing only the 2 pointed-suit Aces, for +450.

It looks like we get 3 or 4 tricks against 5X, for a likely +500. We get the AKA in my hand, and no spades. It's not clear if partner's Q or Q will make a trick; I think one will but not both. It depends on declarer's line.

On the 2nd hand, I passed 3 and passed again when parner reopened with a double. I should have mentioned that we do not play 2/1. Partner had something like
x Axx Kxx KQxxxx.

My LHO had Qxxx, so it's not clear if 5 will make. 4 might make on the 4-3 as LHO has Kxx. 3NT will almost surely make, but neither one of us can bid it after this start. Or can we?
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