[pirate22]

plying any system.Partner opens 1ht--next hand x's over this x pard makes 3 different responses.

(a) Redouble. meaning????

( 2n/t, meaning?????????

© raising p to 3 of the bid suit. meaning????????

Has the art of bidding lost its way.?????????

[Hanoi5]

I play:

a. Either 11+ without fit or 13+ with a fit.
b. Limit raise
c. Pre-emptive.

[pirate22]

2 out of 3 right
dunno how smileys got in (a) ( © apols

[aguahombre]

pirate22, on Jul 13 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

2 out of 3 right
dunno how smileys got in   (a)  (  © apols

I do hope you meant that differently than it sounded. The question was what do the calls mean to the person who answered. There is no getting it right or wrong, for either you or the person who answers.

I choose --
redouble=our hand, no fit.
2NT=l.r.+, no shortness.
3M=weak (hate using the word "preemptive", because all jumps have that effect --whether weak, strong, or in-between).

But, the context for me is xfer responses/1M (x), so others will have different needs.

[bid_em_up]

pirate22, on Jul 13 2010, 11:53 AM, said:

2 out of 3 right
dunno how smileys got in (a) ( © apols

If you're so sure he only has 2/3 right, why are you asking the question?

[matmat]

bid_em_up, on Jul 13 2010, 11:52 AM, said:

pirate22, on Jul 13 2010, 11:53 AM, said:

2 out of 3 right
dunno how smileys got in  (a)  (  © apols

If you're so sure he only has 2/3 right, why are you asking the question?

testing the forum's bridge knowledge, obviously.

[awm]

The (modern) standard meanings are:

a: XX shows a good hand, something like 10+ points. It normally denies holding four card support for partner but three-card support is possible.

b: 2NT shows 4+ card support with (roughly) 10+ points. It's a limit raise or better. This is sometimes called "Jordan" 2NT.

c: 3M shows 4-card support (perhaps 5-card support is possible if the hand is not suitable to bid 4M) and weak. I think the standard for "weak" is something like 0-6 points, but some people play it more as a "mixed" raise (like 6-9) especially at vulnerable, or as a wide-ranging bid with anything less than limit raise values.

[jjbrr]

i thought he meant two out of his 3 letters were correct, with the wrong one being a smiley, though the C is somewhat inconsistent if that's the case.

awm answered this question correctly.

"the art of bidding" needs to be better defined before we can comment on its way.

[pirate22]

my writing originally was 3 quesstions (A) ( and © without the smileys,tried redit did not work,, however.
AWm correct.
a...redouble=the hand is ours pard-possible penalty before we bid game/or slam possibilities,on the way.

b...2n/t good raise with support,and on the way if opps get cheeky take a penalty.
if you pass i promise a bid-if you speak same suit or another suit u r MIN
c...3 raise in your suit is premptive and weak,if you x the opps, its your resposibilty.

the reason i asked these questions ,is would most sayc players understand,the subtle diffences.

[pirate22]

how tthe smileys get in i apologise again.

my questions simply a b c
A B C

[EricK]

Further question:
What (if anything) does Pass followed by 3 of partner's major on the next round mean?

[manudude03]

It's morse code to tell the opponents to double.

[pirate22]

I assume the question you ask is---

1 ht---x---pass---pass---
3hts??????????.

or 1ht--pass--pass--x.....now pard bids 3 hts.

in both cases weak premptive,but in the first case why not play 1ht x passed out.
but in the secondcase as above

[barryallen]

pirate22, on Jul 14 2010, 11:37 AM, said:

how tthe smileys get in i apologise again.

my questions simply    a    b    c
                              A    B    C

It was a common mistake which I would have thought others would have quickly caught onto. You just have to look at the two keyboard characters that are required to make up that smilie, something you will naturally drop into when listing as (a), ......

[blackshoe]

To avoid the (a) ( © problem you can either turn off smileys in your post (uncheck the "enable smileys" or "enable emoticons" box below the message text entry box), or use a different bracket, eg. {a} {b} {c} or [a] [b] [c].

[EricK]

pirate22, on Jul 16 2010, 02:38 AM, said:

I assume the question you ask is---

1 ht---x---pass---pass---
3hts??????????.

or 1ht--pass--pass--x.....now pard bids 3 hts.

in both cases weak premptive,but in the first case why not play 1ht x passed out.
but in the secondcase as above

I was asking about sequences like 1♥ (X) P (1♠) P (P) 3♥.

Is it worth trying to distinguish between high card raises to 3M (or 2M or 4M) with high ODR and those with low ODR? ♠xx ♥KQxx ♦AJxx ♣xxx and ♠QJxx ♥xxxx ♦KJx ♣Kx are both raises to 3♥, but very different hand types. Where we are defensive, and so not particularly worried about opponents competing too highly, it might make sense to force fourth hand to bid in a situation where he would prefer to be able to pass.

[pirate22]

ty Blackshoe as they say one learns something every day,appreciated.
[a] {b} [c} :)

[pirate22]

EricK, on Jul 19 2010, 04:11 AM, said:

pirate22, on Jul 16 2010, 02:38 AM, said:

I assume the question you ask is---

1 ht---x---pass---pass---
3hts??????????.

or    1ht--pass--pass--x.....now pard bids 3 hts.

in both cases weak premptive,but in the first case why not play 1ht x  passed out.
but in the secondcase as above

I was asking about sequences like 1♥ (X) P (1♠) P (P) 3♥.

Is it worth trying to distinguish between high card raises to 3M (or 2M or 4M) with high ODR and those with low ODR? ♠xx ♥KQxx ♦AJxx ♣xxx and ♠QJxx ♥xxxx ♦KJx ♣Kx are both raises to 3♥, but very different hand types. Where we are defensive, and so not particularly worried about opponents competing too highly, it might make sense to force fourth hand to bid in a situation where he would prefer to be able to pass.

another "widget" is LTC losing trick count.with your hands shown.with 3 card and 4 card support for partners opening major redouble-2hts-3hts-2n/t-and 4 hts apply,also taking into account who is vuln and who is not.
Partner to the 1 major opening followed by a x----Partner should take the pressure off the opener-your first example i would bid 4 hts-second use the redouble.and see what happens.we take penalty or bid game