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No bidding by the opponents:
1♥-2♣
2♠-3♠
4♣-?
1♥ was limited to 15 pts
2♣ was GF balanced or clubs
With a balanced GF and 4 spades we would respond 1♠ to 1♥, so 3♠ should show an unbalanced hand.
4♣ = ?
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Fake Cue?
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Posted 2010-July-04, 08:52
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 09:06
This might be a minority view but my partnership prefers to pattern out in auctions like this.
That makes 4♣ typically a big 4-5-1-3 or 4-6-0-3 or so and mandatory cue-bidding starts now.
I'm playing partner for the shape above but they can have have anything they want, often a minor suit void trolling for a ♦ cue or lack of in order to take charge. We cue 1st round, not 1st or 2nd.
EDIT: This WILL be the minority view. I just remembered patterning out like this in the ACBL It's Your Call last month and getting the goose egg. Oh well, at least we're all cue-bidding, I just start one bid later.
That makes 4♣ typically a big 4-5-1-3 or 4-6-0-3 or so and mandatory cue-bidding starts now.
I'm playing partner for the shape above but they can have have anything they want, often a minor suit void trolling for a ♦ cue or lack of in order to take charge. We cue 1st round, not 1st or 2nd.
EDIT: This WILL be the minority view. I just remembered patterning out like this in the ACBL It's Your Call last month and getting the goose egg. Oh well, at least we're all cue-bidding, I just start one bid later.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 09:34
Definitely a cue: A/K or Q.
Good thing we have definition about 3♠; I'm not sure others would be on solid ground here.
Good thing we have definition about 3♠; I'm not sure others would be on solid ground here.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 09:43
Definitely a cue. Whether you allow shortness and/or the queen is up to agreement.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 09:57
I'd like it to be shape-showing - from partner's point of view, there's a big difference between Kxx and Kx.
However, you can only do that if you have some other way to bid the hands that want to start cue-bidding but don't have any particular shape to show. I used to use 3NT for that, but 3NT is more useful as a non-serious slam try. Hence I'm stuck with having to play 4♣ as a cue-bid.
However, you can only do that if you have some other way to bid the hands that want to start cue-bidding but don't have any particular shape to show. I used to use 3NT for that, but 3NT is more useful as a non-serious slam try. Hence I'm stuck with having to play 4♣ as a cue-bid.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-July-04, 10:08
gnasher, on Jul 4 2010, 10:57 AM, said:
I'd like it to be shape-showing - from partner's point of view, there's a big difference between Kxx and Kx.
There's also a big difference between xxx and Kx.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 15:53
what han says. In my methods it is specifically club shortness given that we'd bid 3NT if no shortness avaible and 4♦ with the shortness there. More or less what gnasher plays but reversed I guess.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 16:06
Secondary vote then: do you like bidding 4♣ with Qx(x) here, or do you prefer it to be A or K?
RE gnasher: 3NT would be serious for us (though, once again, opener is limited to 15, so serious in context), or in other words slam related but says nothing about shape. Opener hasn't shown any extras yet, so they'd just raise to 4♠ on trash, but maybe try a cue with an okay hand.
RE gnasher: 3NT would be serious for us (though, once again, opener is limited to 15, so serious in context), or in other words slam related but says nothing about shape. Opener hasn't shown any extras yet, so they'd just raise to 4♠ on trash, but maybe try a cue with an okay hand.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2010-July-05, 08:39
To me this would be a top honour in clubs, never the queen.
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Posted 2010-July-05, 08:46
Ace or King.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-July-05, 08:48
Cue, showing a top honor, if 3S promised 5 clubs, than the Queen is possible.
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