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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-July-01, 09:20

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AJxxx
AKJxx
xxx

1H-1S
2D-4H

not sure what partner is doing!

over 1H we have
1N possibly a 3 card limit raise
2H normal single raise
2N 4 trumps GF
3C 4 trumps with about 8 points
3D 4 trumps with about 10 points
3H 4 trumps with any number of points that is not really 8
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Posted 2010-July-01, 09:28

I'm passing, we have at least two club losers.

AKQxx
KQx
x
xxxx
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Posted 2010-July-01, 09:36

cardsharp, on Jul 1 2010, 09:28 AM, said:

I'm passing, we have at least two club losers.

AKQxx
KQx
x
xxxx

My guess is close to this, but our picture jumps don't have an outside control, even in a suit partner has bid. So, (2-3) in minors, or 5-4-2-2. I know there were other ways to show four hearts, but responder might have chosen this route with everything concentrated in the majors.

No Club control, pass.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 10:56

This could be a "dangerous" splinter.

We had a similar looking sequence in a recent post back on April 1, 2010 :

http://forums.bridge...pic=38337&st=15

It was:
1♣ Pass 1♦ Pass
1♥ Pass 4♣ = splinter for Hts

Justin ( Jlal ) argued that the 4th Suit forcing bid was NOT used, it made the 4C double-jump a splinter for the last bid suit ( Hts ).
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Thus, by the same argument the 4th suit GF ( 3C!) was not used ( as well as the other alternatives including 1H - 4H ) for this sequence:

1H-1S
2D-4H = splinter for Diam.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 10:56

I guarantee you 100% that 4♥ was not a splinter.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 11:03

Now people here are so sophisticated that they have to ask what a bridge 101 game bid means?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 11:14

nevermind
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Posted 2010-July-01, 11:41

Heart limit with 4+ spades that got better with diamond fit, like AJxx, Kxx, Qxxx, xx or thereabouts. I wouldn't look into this too much.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 12:22

doesn't have to be such a hand, may just be AQxxx Kxx xx Kxx.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 12:23

kayin801, on Jul 1 2010, 12:41 PM, said:

Heart limit with 4+ spades that got better with diamond fit, like AJxx, Kxx, Qxxx, xx or thereabouts. I wouldn't look into this too much.

Agree. Jumps to game should either show limit raises that were improved by opener's call (fitting honor(s) or shortness) or minimum-ish GF.

Otherwise opener can be boxed and has to guess whether or not to continue with middlish hands (15-16 or so).
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Posted 2010-July-01, 13:14

gwnn, on Jul 1 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

not sure what partner is doing!

He is ending the auction in game of your first suit, having shown his best suit in case either that was a better fit or he could upgrade his hand on the basis of a double fit.
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Posted 2010-July-01, 14:51

4♥ is a three card raise with game values.

With a better hand partner goes through fourth suit forcing.

Occasionally we could miss a good slam when partner doesn't realize his hand is gold. Here for example:

♠ xxxx
♥ KQx
♦ Qxx
♣ KQJ

would be a slam but partner won't be thinking this is good.

I suppose some may choose not to bid this four card spade suit especially if you have a better way to show a three card raise.
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