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Whats lower limit for 3rd seat? Would J10xx QXXX X KQxxx qualify....

#1 User is offline   ksk2005 

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Posted 2010-June-30, 06:14

Would ♠J10xx ♥QXXX ♦X ♣KQxx qualify for 3rd seat opening? If you were a TD would you condiser this hand a psyche open or normal 3rd seat opening?

Please only comment if you are qualified, thank you.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 06:16

that's one of the main reasons why banning psyckes is completelly nuts
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Posted 2010-June-30, 06:38

Depends completely on what system the players are using
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Posted 2010-June-30, 06:44

14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 06:50

Yes, and just thought I had better mention that han's mathematical credentials mean he was qualified to make that post.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 06:56

I can add to 14 like the best.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 07:02

1♦, 1♥ and 1NT would be psyche. So would 2♦, 2♥, 2NT and 3♦ or higher.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 07:07

If you want answers from TDs you would be better off posting in the laws and rulings forums.

(I'm assuming for sake of argument that the hand in question is actually JTxx, Qxx, x, KQxxx.)

As others have said, whether it is a psyche or not depends on the pair's agreements. An agreement to open this light may or may not be permitted; it is in England (but only in 3rd/4th).
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Posted 2010-June-30, 07:53

ksk2005, on Jun 30 2010, 07:14 AM, said:

Would ♠J10xx ♥QXXX ♦X ♣KQxxx qualify for 3rd seat opening? If you were a TD would you condiser this hand a psyche open or normal 3rd seat opening?

Please only comment if you are qualified, thank you.

considering where you posted this what are your definitions for "qualified"? You aren't one of those people who open a table in the MBR and advertise for "only real experts" are you?
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Posted 2010-June-30, 07:57

lol@qualified

lol@14
OK
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Posted 2010-June-30, 09:22

Don't know about qualified, but I've been told I'm certifiable before. Does that count?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2010-June-30, 10:01

i have seen partner open this against me in 3rd seat, 1club, never any thing good came of it so i bid them farewell.

but i could live with a 1 spade opening only

i am qualified, the experts at the main club so scared of me they deny me seats

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Babalu just wanted a shoulder to cry on, is that too much to ask for?
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Posted 2010-June-30, 10:40

playing 2 way drury, I might open 1S, otherwise 1C. I'd only pass if I feared partner doesnt have a sense of humour.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 11:13

I am not qualified to say whether it's a psyche or not. It really depends if it's their style to open this kind of hands. If their cc said explicitly that they don't open very light in 3rd seat then it's either a psyche or a misbid. Otherwise I would think it isn't.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 11:28

oh anyway sure I'd always open 1♣. If I was playing precision I would contemplate a 2♣ bid to be honest.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 13:24

gwnn, on Jun 30 2010, 12:28 PM, said:

oh anyway sure I'd always open 1♣. If I was playing precision I would contemplate a 2♣ bid to be honest.

lol. I was about to post, and will now post, that I would never open this hand. Too light to be a light opener, for me, and too strong to be a psyche.

I hardly ever psyche these days, but when I did, we had a rule (that we announced) that psyches were rarely as much as 5 hcp. 8 is way too strong....they are less likely to make game, partner is less likely to be warned by their action that someone is psyching (and he is allowed to deduce its you, if he does so based on bridge logic) and so on. Besides, 1♣ is an anti-preempt.

A fake precision 2♣ is more attractive since it a real preempt.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 13:48

gwnn, on Jun 30 2010, 12:28 PM, said:

oh anyway sure I'd always open 1♣. If I was playing precision I would contemplate a 2♣ bid to be honest.

I sometimes describe my 3 suited 2♦ opener in precision as 4415 minus any card. I guess this hand doesn't qualify since the last step of the description hasn't occured yet. :)
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Posted 2010-June-30, 14:33

jdonn, on Jul 1 2010, 07:48 AM, said:

gwnn, on Jun 30 2010, 12:28 PM, said:

oh anyway sure I'd always open 1♣. If I was playing precision I would contemplate a 2♣ bid to be honest.

I sometimes describe my 3 suited 2♦ opener in precision as 4415 minus any card. I guess this hand doesn't qualify since the last step of the description hasn't occured yet. :)

Indeed it can hardly be a deliberate gross misdescription when someone else gave you the fourteen cards.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 14:47

disagree. failure to call the director would be a psyche.
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Posted 2010-June-30, 17:10

hey wtf? didn't the original hand have Qxx of hearts? hmmm. I think it's a conspiracy. interesting how the mind works.
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