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#1 User is offline   pdmunro 

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Posted 2010-June-27, 05:11

A spectacular success: This bid reaped 11 IMPS for the Italian Team.
http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...ch.php?id=14519
Hand 1 -- Open Room
1C - P - 2D
Below is the 2D hand. Annotation says 5+♠ & 4♥. Does anyone have any more info? Point range? Splinter? Is this a standard bid in some systems?
Scoring: IMP

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Peter . . . . AKQ . . . . K = 3 points = 1 trick
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Posted 2010-June-27, 05:49

> Does anyone have any more info? Point range? Splinter?

Not a splinter, most minor suit lengths are permitted.
Point range is limited: less than 1C-1S-2C-2H (=natural and forcing)
The idea is that hearts can get lost after 1C-1S-1NT/2C/2D, you want to play 2H as forcing, so you can't play in 2H opposite a weak NT type hand.

> Is this a standard bid in some systems?

Certainly they are not the only pair who play this.
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Posted 2010-June-27, 05:49

Fred would reply but he seems busy today. See Fred's system summary here:

Fred - Brad system summary usbf 2010 open
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Posted 2010-June-27, 05:50

I think the main cause of the swing was South's pass of the opening in the other room. If South responds 1♠, NS will still get to game.

Edit: the Slovakian South seems to have taken a rather nagative view of his hand for the whole of the deal. I wonder how many more times North would have had to bid in order to get some life out of his partner.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-27, 14:22

rev flannery is common in response to a minor.
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Posted 2010-June-27, 16:15

jjbrr, on Jun 27 2010, 03:22 PM, said:

rev flannery is common in response to a minor.

i think i see it at the cayne games occasionally

View PostFree, on 2011-May-10, 03:57, said:

Babalu just wanted a shoulder to cry on, is that too much to ask for?
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Posted 2010-June-27, 20:53

gnasher, on Jun 27 2010, 05:50 AM, said:

I think the main cause of the swing was South's pass of the opening in the other room. If South responds 1♠, NS will still get to game.

Edit: the Slovakian South seems to have taken a rather nagative view of his hand for the whole of the deal. I wonder how many more times North would have had to bid in order to get some life out of his partner.

Yep. It aint the system, it was the judgement.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 06:48

Some highly respected forum posters such as the Hog would also pass partner's 1C opening. However, I imagine the he might bid something after partner rebids 2C and then redoubles.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-28, 09:41

hanp, on Jun 28 2010, 06:48 AM, said:

Some highly respected forum posters such as the Hog would also pass partner's 1C opening. However, I imagine the he might bid something after partner rebids 2C and then redoubles.

Unless he redoubles 2c :rolleyes:

I guess from that, and from Gnash's post that the auction went something like:

1c (P) P (1d)
2C (2d) Etc.

When did opener get to redouble something? In any case I think I would be cueing with or without more oppositiion after partner rebid 2C.

Even some of us less than respected posters might have passed 1C --especially if the only alternative (due to systemic inferences after 1M) was to jump into RF.

But that hand would come to life if opener does anything on the next round.
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