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Is it forcing? New suit after partner preempts

Poll: Is this Forcing? If so, to what level? (34 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this Forcing? If so, to what level?

  1. Forcing one round (2 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  2. Forcing to slam (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Not forcing (32 votes [94.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.12%

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#1 User is offline   blackshoe 

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Posted 2010-June-24, 14:45

RHO deals and passes. You open a preemptive 3♠. LHO passes. Partner bids 5♦. Bonus question: what kind of hand does he have?
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Posted 2010-June-24, 15:08

Unless we have agreed on something special I'd pass 5♦.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-June-24, 15:21

I would expect most players to think this is to play.

I would expect some players to think this is exclusion keycard.

I would expect some players bidding 5♦ to think one of the foregoing and some of the players who bid 3♠ to think the other, with much amusement ensuing to the opps.

Personally, absent agreement to the contrary, I would take this as natural and to play. He is wide open in a rounded suit, else he'd bid 3N. So maybe x x AKQJxxxx AKx or similar...but trying to guess the hand is really a waste of time.
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Posted 2010-June-24, 15:24

exclusion since 4♦ is forcing then 5♦ is signoff.
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Posted 2010-June-24, 15:42

Exclusion? NF? Wth? Partner just bid game at his first opportunity to bid. He wants to play there!
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Posted 2010-June-24, 17:22

mikeh, on Jun 24 2010, 04:21 PM, said:

I would expect most players to think this is to play.

I would expect some players to think this is exclusion keycard.

I would expect some players bidding 5♦ to think one of the foregoing and some of the players who bid 3♠ to think the other, with much amusement ensuing to the opps.

Personally, absent agreement to the contrary, I would take this as natural and to play. He is wide open in a rounded suit, else he'd bid 3N. So maybe x x AKQJxxxx AKx or similar...but trying to guess the hand is really a waste of time.

I would expect some players would think "none of the above".

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Posted 2010-June-24, 17:57

For me, 4♦ would be cue so 5♦ is to play.
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Posted 2010-June-24, 17:58

umm, not forcing
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Posted 2010-June-24, 18:02

I am a general agreements person and my general agreement over preempt is that new suit below game is forcing, so this is not forcing.
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Posted 2010-June-24, 18:23

blackshoe, on Jun 24 2010, 03:45 PM, said:

RHO deals and passes. You open a preemptive 3♠. LHO passes. Partner bids 5♦. Bonus question: what kind of hand does he have?
By agreement, it could be exclusion. Otherwise, a sign-off with say ♠ xx ♥ xx ♦ KQJxxxxxx ♣ -
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Posted 2010-June-24, 18:32

to play
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Posted 2010-June-24, 18:36

Choice of games between hearts and clubs of course. Promises 5 hearts and 7 clubs, but could be 6-7 sometimes. How else are you going to bid it?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 05:00

I don't have it defined, but I do have 3♠-4♦ defined as control asking bid, so I would say EKCB.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:24

so because you don't have a natural diamond bid available on the 4 level, a diamond bid on the 5 level is artificial?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 06:55

I have defined as "to play" sequences of this kind

2/3/4x 4M

except 4♥-4♠, which is a control asking bid. Other bids post-pree are CABs.

Dunno if this is the best, but it's liveable.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 09:25

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Posted 2010-June-25, 09:46

The only thing worthwhile to come out of this thread is Phil's quote about me.

Oh shoot that was the other thread, I take it back lol.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 10:12

It's not worthwhile to know how the majority of players play a particular call?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 10:26

I suppose it will serve me well in the next forums individual.
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