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#1 User is offline   mohitz 

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  Posted 2010-June-13, 03:39

♠Kxxx ♥ AT98xx ♦xx ♣x

All vul, IMPs, you deal and

p - (p) - 1♠ - (p)
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You have fit jump and one way drury raise available. No splinters. Partner has 5 spades most of the times. Could be light but not by much.

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Posted 2010-June-13, 03:57

3h and 4s please please p bid in tempo
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Posted 2010-June-13, 04:09

i AM OLD...WHA does fit jump etc show.-----------------------


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any event


I can bid 3d now...


4s....12-13 support pts.....as passed hand..
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Posted 2010-June-13, 08:18

Partner has 5 spades most of the time? When will he have 4? Are we playing acol? Given the available gadgets I am in favour of a fit jump and a raise.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 11:07

fit jump, but i'm more inclined to pass 3♠ than the other seems to be.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 12:02

3H.

Looks like a fit jump to me, and I wont raise 3S to 4S.

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Posted 2010-June-13, 12:05

+1 for 3H and pass.
Partner, I don't play tempo signals...
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Posted 2010-June-13, 13:17

3♥ and raise for me. I cannot imagine not bidding game with this hand.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 13:33

mohitz, on Jun 13 2010, 04:39 AM, said:

♠Kxxx ♥ AT98xx ♦xx ♣x

All vul, IMPs, you deal and

p - (p) - 1♠ - (p)
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You have fit jump and one way drury raise available. No splinters. Partner has 5 spades most of the times. Could be light but not by much.

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Posted 2010-June-13, 14:50

opps are passing, so pard probably has a decent hand.

a straight 4♠ for me.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 16:12

3♥; not worrying about bidding game since pard probably will.

My FJ is designed to help pard evaluate for slam, not game.
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Posted 2010-June-13, 16:34

So for you, Phil, a 3 level fit jump is forcing to game?
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Posted 2010-June-13, 17:43

blackshoe, on Jun 13 2010, 05:34 PM, said:

So for you, Phil, a 3 level fit jump is forcing to game?

? no. I simply said, "pard will bid it".
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Posted 2010-June-13, 17:48

Phil, on Jun 13 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Jun 13 2010, 05:34 PM, said:

So for you, Phil, a 3 level fit jump is forcing to game?

? no. I simply said, "pard will bid it".

Yeah. You said

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My FJ is designed to help pard evaluate for slam, not game.
And if "pard will bid it [game]", well, I guess I don't understand what's going on here. Why would he bid game over a game try, if he's minimum? And if it's a slam try (by agreement) doesn't that imply that going to game is a predetermined conclusion? I guess what I'm asking is what does partner's rebid below game (or even below 3M) mean?
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Posted 2010-June-13, 18:02

blackshoe, on Jun 13 2010, 06:48 PM, said:

Phil, on Jun 13 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Jun 13 2010, 05:34 PM, said:

So for you, Phil, a 3 level fit jump is forcing to game?

? no. I simply said, "pard will bid it".

Yeah. You said

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My FJ is designed to help pard evaluate for slam, not game.
And if "pard will bid it [game]", well, I guess I don't understand what's going on here. Why would he bid game over a game try, if he's minimum? And if it's a slam try (by agreement) doesn't that imply that going to game is a predetermined conclusion? I guess what I'm asking is what does partner's rebid below game (or even below 3M) mean?

The responsibility for communication is with the sender, so I'll see if I can make myself more clear, however, please try to read what I am saying instead of looking for messages which are not there.

Previously I never said whether or not I was always bidding game. But R/R at IMPs, I will take the push to 4♠ myself, but you shouldn't take any inference in that statement that a 3 level FJ is GF.

I think partner might be interested in slam due to my opponent's silence. This isn't necessarily the case, but I do believe that a fit jump will help partner evaluate minor suit aces, and heart length or intermediates. This is in contrast to 2♣, or a splinter.

This, however, does not make 3♥ a slam try. It merely means that if partner is interested in slam, that my call is more descriptive.

I would take 1♠ - 3♣ - 3 red as just initially a game try.

I would take 1♠ - 3♥ - 4♣ as probably a help suit slam try, but it might be cuebidding on the way to RKC too.
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