[dbsboy]

Scoring: IMP

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I was South.

At our table, the bidding went

RHO Me LHO My P
1♠ Pass 1N (F1) Pass
2♥ X 3♥ 5♣
All Pass

5♣ went -1.


At the other table, the bidding was a different as South overcalled 1NT
RHO Opps LHO Opps
1♠ 1N Pass 3N
All Pass

The opening lead was ♠9. And declarer easily scooped 9 tricks.

I am not sure if I should overcall 1NT, and do you agree with the 3NT bid over partner's 1NT? Of course, a H lead may have defeated the contract.

Any opinion?

[mike777]

I guess you can make 9 tricks on a spade lead.

[aguahombre]

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[Phil]

So you are trying to assess blame in reaching an excellent 5♣ that failed because the ♦A was not with the opening bidder instead of reaching a tenuous 3N that should go down every time with the correct defense?

I also realize that 5♣ can be beaten when spades and 6-1 but this is something not to get worked up about.

[jjbrr]

agree with phil, who, by the way, has a family to be envious of.

phil=hero.

[Jlall]

Phil, on Jun 3 2010, 08:53 PM, said:

So you are trying to assess blame in reaching an excellent 5♣ that failed because the ♦A was not with the opening bidder instead of reaching a tenuous 3N that should go down every time with the correct defense?

I also realize that 5♣ can be beaten when spades and 6-1 but this is something not to get worked up about.

They should make the winning lead every time? Ok...

Spades are 6-1 a lot of the time but it's "nothing to get worked up about"? I guess because they always make the winning lead vs 3N so it's a 0 % contract!

I agree that getting to 5C instead of 3N on these 2 auctions doesn't really matter much but I think Phil is overstating things by quite a bit.

I think overcalling 1N is quite bad. 3N was a good bid over it.

[Phil]

jjbrr, on Jun 3 2010, 09:30 PM, said:

agree with phil, who, by the way, has a family to be envious of.

phil=hero.

Why thank you young man. 60% of us will be in NO so I hope you can meet them in person.

[Phil]

Jlall, on Jun 3 2010, 10:05 PM, said:

Spades are 6-1 a lot of the time but it's "nothing to get worked up about"? I guess because they always make the winning lead vs 3N so it's a 0 % contract!

The part that this poster shouldn't get 'worked about' is that this isn't an awful result AFAIC. I wasn't clear about the way I stated that.

6-1 spades is a concern but that's tricky diagnosing in the auction.

When our RHO bids spades and then hearts, I'm fairly sure that LHO is going to find the heart lead like....100% of the time?

I didn't comment about 1N but I agree its awful, but it worked out. I'm not as enamored with 3N - it seems North could invite in clubs and you'd find the same spot - when its right. .

[jjbrr]

Phil, on Jun 3 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Jun 3 2010, 09:30 PM, said:

agree with phil, who, by the way, has a family to be envious of.

phil=hero.

Why thank you young man. 60% of us will be in NO so I hope you can meet them in person.

I'll be honored to meet any and all Claytons in person.

I think we played some poker in Vegas or Nashville, but I don't remember which. We should have been properly introduced.

I'll be in NO for the last few days, so I look forward to being Claytonized if you and the others will be there for the whole tournament.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Passing over 1S is fine, at best you have a min. hand for a
1NT overcall.
I dont think, that your p should have bid 5C over 3H, 4C is more
than enough, even Pass is an option with his hand.

And I think the club suit is slightly to weak for the 3NT call.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mcphee]

5C is a reasonable contract that offers a chance to make, quite sensible at the form of scoring. It also seems to me that the opponents have a good play to make 4H, although it is likely to fail, but I would sure enjoy having the opportunity to play that game.

[vuroth]

Phil, on Jun 3 2010, 08:53 PM, said:

So you are trying to assess blame in reaching an excellent 5♣ that failed because the ♦A was not with the opening bidder...

I don't get it. Opps rate to be about 12 and 6 in HCP. Sure, the first ace rates to be with opener, but isn't the second ace only an 8:6 favourite to be there?