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#1 User is offline   mich-b 

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Posted 2010-June-02, 00:10

Scoring: IMP

1♣-3♦-P-P
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1. What is your call?
2. What would be your call if your ♠s were Ax?
3. Would you ever reopen with a double with only 2 ♠s?
4. Would you reopen with a double with 4414, 12 hcp ?
5. Do you think a double in this position shows any extras , or perhaps "extras or perfect shape"?
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Posted 2010-June-02, 00:23

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guys my expert pard will not trapp pass.
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Posted 2010-June-02, 00:50

pass
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Posted 2010-June-02, 00:56

1. Pass
2. Still Pass
3. Yes, on much stronger hand
4. Probably yes, but I have to think about it
5. I don't think we need go beyond "takeout" it may depend on form of scoring, opponents, vulnerability etc.
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Posted 2010-June-02, 03:03

1. pass, mainly because I can't stand a 3♠ response
2. pass or dbl, depending on how lucky I feel
3. with a hand better than 2
4. always dbl
5. extras or perfect shape
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Posted 2010-June-02, 07:08

mich-b, on Jun 2 2010, 01:10 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣-3♦-P-P
?


1. What is your call?
2. What would be your call if your ♠s were Ax?
3. Would you ever reopen with a double with only 2 ♠s?
4. Would you reopen with a double with 4414, 12 hcp ?
5. Do you think a double in this position shows any extras , or perhaps "extras or perfect shape"?

I assume all the passers when they hold partner's hand which might look like
Scoring: IMP

1♣-3♦-P-P
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are automatically bidding 3NT? Since you can't expect protection with this hand and double is negative you have to do something. Besides why would we want to possibly score 1100 when we can get 630.

I need a simul to convince me that pass is more profitable than X in this situation. Note I did NOT say more comfortable.
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Posted 2010-June-02, 07:19

I would double.
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Posted 2010-June-02, 07:26

pooltuna we've been over this, for you partner's pass is forcing and for us the reopening double means we have support for the other suits. You can pass comfortably with a lot of hands as responder, we can bid our suits comfortably as responder because we know that partner has 3 cards there.

(the above is a little exaggerated for dramatic merit)
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Posted 2010-June-02, 08:03

gwnn, on Jun 2 2010, 08:26 AM, said:

pooltuna we've been over this, for you partner's pass is forcing and for us the reopening double means we have support for the other suits. You can pass comfortably with a lot of hands as responder, we can bid our suits comfortably as responder because we know that partner has 3 cards there.

(the above is a little exaggerated for dramatic merit)

so if I understand the implications of what you are saying I can assume "uncomfortable calls"="unprofitable calls" (and I mean this on average not just one hand)
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Posted 2010-June-02, 08:05

Not exactly, but there is a strong correlation. What makes a situation uncomfortable is that it is difficult to gauge which options are most profitable.
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