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What's your favorite system after weak twos ?

#41 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2010-July-22, 14:57

I generally prefer to play Dutch 2s with a longer-term partner willing to 'try stuff' so haven't put a huge amount of effort into a weak 2 structure. But the following looks to be a pretty easy and logical (but not optimal) use for the relay bid in a system:-

2S - 2N
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3C = any min
3D = max, D feature [3H asks suit quality -> 3S bad, 3N good] [then 4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1C, 4H = 0-1H]
3H = max, H feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1C]
3S = max, C feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1H]
3N = AKQxxx
4C = max, no feature, C shortage
4D = max, no feature, D shortage
4H = max, no feature, H shortage
4S = max, no feature, no shortage


2S - 2N
3C - 3D
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3H = H feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1C]
3S = D feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1C, 4H = 0-1H]
3N = C feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1H]
4C = no feature, C shortage
4D = no feature, D shortage
4H = no feature, H shortage


I'm also quite a fan of transfer bids at the 3 level for the other major so would always shuffle these bids to make 3D = over a weak natural 2. Whether to use 3 as a second asking bid, or natural, or diamonds, or either minor; and whether to use 3 as clubs, diamonds, either minor, or some kind of raise is probably more up to preferences, and since these bids are much less common not massively important. You also have to work out with your partner such things as whether to treat a bare Ace as a feature, shortage (yuck!) or neither, and, most importantly of all, how whatever system you agreed is adjusted by enemy interference. A simple, well-worked sysem is better here than a complex system with nebulous agreements imho.
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Posted 2010-August-05, 13:58

Newbie here,

Hello everyone.

Just what point count is used for the Feature Asking 2N?

Many thanks.
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Posted 2010-August-05, 14:04

The best thing you can do for your game is stop thinking in terms of points.
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Posted 2010-August-08, 20:10

Zelandakh, on Jul 22 2010, 03:57 PM, said:

I generally prefer to play Dutch 2s with a longer-term partner willing to 'try stuff' so haven't put a huge amount of effort into a weak 2 structure. But the following looks to be a pretty easy and logical (but not optimal) use for the relay bid in a system:-

2S - 2N
=======
3C = any min
3D = max, D feature [3H asks suit quality -> 3S bad, 3N good] [then 4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1C, 4H = 0-1H]
3H = max, H feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1C]
3S = max, C feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1H]
3N = AKQxxx
4C = max, no feature, C shortage
4D = max, no feature, D shortage
4H = max, no feature, H shortage
4S = max, no feature, no shortage


2S - 2N
3C - 3D
=======
3H = H feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1C]
3S = D feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1C, 4H = 0-1H]
3N = C feature [4C asks shortage ->4D + 0-1D, 4H = 0-1H]
4C = no feature, C shortage
4D = no feature, D shortage
4H = no feature, H shortage


I'm also quite a fan of transfer bids at the 3 level for the other major so would always shuffle these bids to make 3D = over a weak natural 2. Whether to use 3 as a second asking bid, or natural, or diamonds, or either minor; and whether to use 3 as clubs, diamonds, either minor, or some kind of raise is probably more up to preferences, and since these bids are much less common not massively important. You also have to work out with your partner such things as whether to treat a bare Ace as a feature, shortage (yuck!) or neither, and, most importantly of all, how whatever system you agreed is adjusted by enemy interference. A simple, well-worked sysem is better here than a complex system with nebulous agreements imho.

Perhaps minor but your

2   2NT
4

won't get you to 3NT when responder has

Jx  xx  Ax  AKQJxxx
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Posted 2010-September-02, 01:42

shevek, on Aug 9 2010, 02:10 AM, said:

2S - 2N
4C = max, no feature, C shortage

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Perhaps minor but your

2   2NT
4

won't get you to 3NT when responder has

Jx  xx  Ax  AKQJxxx

Why would we want to be in 3NT without a semblance of a heart stopper?
(-: Zel :-)

Happy New Year everyone!
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