[Rebound]

Scoring: IMP

How best to get to 7♦ after (P) 1♣ (P) 1♦ (1♠) 2♦?

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The actual auction was:
...4NT - 5♥ - 6♦

I would suggest-
2♠ - 3♣ - 3♦ - 3♥ - 4♣ - 7♦

So, does this auction seem at all plausable or am I just giving myself the benefit of hindsight? And if you don't like this auction, what would you suggest? Can you get to 7?

[whereagles]

I would bid it like this

1C  1D (1S)
3D  3S
4NT 5C
5D  6C
7D

3D = this one's too good for a simple 2D. Jump raise shows around 15-17, so must be unbalanced 5+clubs (else open 1NT, not 1C). You don't have 15-17 but sure have compensating distribution
3S = good hand, especially opposite a jump raise
4NT = RKCB. All suits controlled, extra lenght in clubs. Perfect to take charge
5C = 0-3 keys
5D = queen ask opposite 3 keys, sign-off opposite 0 keys
6C = 3 keys + queen + side honor in clubs

Just my opinion. I'm sure some will agree, and many will disagree

[luke warm]

Rebound, on Jul 29 2004, 08:00 PM, said:

Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ A5 ♥ J984 ♦ AK10653 ♣ Q ♠ 8 ♥ A7 ♦ J842 ♣ AK9852

How best to get to 7♦ after (P) 1♣ (P) 1♦ (1♠) 2♦?

i don't think i'd get there.. something like this seems reasonable:

1C (P) 1D (1S)
2S (P) 3S (P)
4C (P) 4D (P)
4NT (P) 5D (P)
5NT (P) 6D (P)

i don't know that dummy's hearts will go on my clubs, and i hate bidding 7 with everyone else making 6

[inquiry]

Only one right way to bid this....

East South West North
 --    1♣    --   1♦
 1♠   3♠   --- 4♣
  ---  4♦ ---   4♥
  ---  4♠ ---    5♣
   --    7♦ all pass 

3♠ = splinter supprt
4♣ = cue-bid A/K/ or Q of ♣
4♦ = minorwood
4♥ = 0/3 key cards (♦AK, ♠A
4♠ = trump queen?
5♣ = yes (with so many ♦ show the queen
7♦ = i can count too many tricks....

Ben

[Free]

I have nothing to say anymore after Ben's answer. I have the same auction in mind...

[Rebound]

I guess I have been out of circulation for too long. Minorwood seems to be common knowledge but I don't know anything about it. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[luke warm]

in a game forcing auction, when a minor has been agreed, a bid of 4m is rkc... also, when a minor has been agreed and one pard jumps to 4 of that minor, it's rkc... i like to play that darn near *any* bid of 4m is rkc (assuming that minor has been agreed or implied)

i used to play kickback, and i'm not convinced that it is inferior

[Trpltrbl]

Wow, scary things are happening. This is 2nd time in almost 1000 post I agree with Ben
And even scarier is that Free agrees too

Mike

[Free]

Trpltrbl, on Aug 1 2004, 01:55 AM, said:

Wow, scary things are happening. This is 2nd time in almost 1000 post I agree with Ben
And even scarier is that Free agrees too

Mike

Must have been a VERY easy problem since Ben got the sollution before us MOEHAHAHA!

[TimG]

inquiry, on Jul 29 2004, 02:25 PM, said:

Only one right way to bid this....

East South West North
-- 1♣ -- 1♦
1♠ 3♠ --- 4♣
--- 4♦ --- 4♥
--- 4♠ --- 5♣
-- 7♦ all pass

7♦ = i can count too many tricks....

Which tricks are you counting? I see 13 only when clubs are 4-2 or 3-3. That makes the grand good, but that doesn't seem like "too many tricks".

I agree with most that 2♦ was a bit timid, but they might have recovered. After 4NT-5♥, respond might as well bid 5NT to confirm all the key cards. Opener should have an easy 7♦ over that, especially given his previously conservative 2♦.

Tim

[Free]

It also makes when ♣s are 5-1 and no ♥ lead (or ♦ 2-2). There are many more possibilities, so it's a great slam imo.

[inquiry]

TimG, on Aug 2 2004, 12:54 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jul 29 2004, 02:25 PM, said:

Only one right way to bid this....

East  South  West  North
--    1♣    --  1♦
1♠  3♠    ---  4♣ 
  ---  4♦ ---  4♥
  ---  4♠ ---    5♣
  --    7♦ all pass

7♦ = i can count too many tricks....

Which tricks are you counting? I see 13 only when clubs are 4-2 or 3-3. That makes the grand good, but that doesn't seem like "too many tricks".

I agree with most that 2♦ was a bit timid, but they might have recovered. After 4NT-5♥, respond might as well bid 5NT to confirm all the key cards. Opener should have an easy 7♦ over that, especially given his previously conservative 2♦.

Tim

Hi Tim,

Well opener doesn't know about the singleton club Queen. It could be 2 or 3 clubs to the queen, maybe more. What he knows after the trump queen showing respnse is his parnter has AKQx of diamonds or six to AK.

So let's count his tricks. One spade, one or two spade ruffs (remember he can't see his partner's hand), IF parnte has only 2 spades, then he is sure ot have longer than 4 diamonds, The heart ACE, three top clubs (partner has announced the Queen). So we have come to

3C+1H+1S+2S ruff (if only one spade ruff, partner has longer than 4D). Now we turn our attention to diamonds and clubs.

If parnter has only one club, where taking our long clubs are a problem, and only has two spades, so we can only get one ruff, he will have a bunch of diamonds (if he is short in both black suits). So either he has enough clubs so that we can easily set them up and run them, or he has extra trump legnth, Give partner a bland 2-3-4-4 hand, we have 4D, 1S, 1H, 1S ruff, and 6C at a minimum. Heart King is or parnter has sapde King gives even more.

If partner is 2-3-5-3 we have 14 tricks. Work out the other combinations, knowing partner has AKQ of diamonds (or extra legnth, in this case minimum of 6) and the club queen. The shorter his diamonds, the more sure he lacks four card major.

Ben