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#1 User is offline   Little Kid 

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Posted 2010-May-29, 20:23

Scoring: XIMP

1NT-(Pass)-?

What is your bid now? Texas or Transfer?

If you transfer then it goes:
1NT-(Pass)-2♦-(X)
2♥*- (3♦) - ?

*2♥: 3♥ and ♦ stopper

Changed your mind yet?

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Posted 2010-May-29, 20:27

I think I would transfer and invite while admitting to being a little conservative. Surely after your start we are worth 4H. Also I have no idea what the law has anything to do with this.
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Posted 2010-May-29, 20:33

with a 9 card fit guaranteed and points split evenly between the sides, the law says we need to compete to at least 3H here
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Posted 2010-May-29, 20:47

recurse, on May 30 2010, 09:33 AM, said:

with a 9 card fit guaranteed and points split evenly between the sides, the law says we need to compete to at least 3H here

This hand has nothing to do with "the law."
Further, who says you have a 9 card fit? Some of the posters on this forum will open 1NT on a 4144 hand if the hand is suitable and in the range.
Anyway, I transfer and invite without a super aceept. I really dislike 7222 shapes.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 03:16

Agree with Ron except that i don't believe p would open 1NT with a singleton in a major suit. Oh well maybe with KQJ A KJxx Kxxxx but it would really have to be almost exactly that hand so I don't worry about it.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 04:05

I think you guys never read about the LAW

in fact many if not all hands do mean the Law


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This hand is about the law if any hand is........

if you hate the law ok...but that is another issue.
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I really hate people saying the Law is not about the Law on bridge hands....sigh......
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If you think the "Law" is for the most part bad bridge at expert level..ok....then say so......


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Posted 2010-May-30, 04:19

I you guys didn't read the OP, or maybe littlekid added the hidden after your answers because partner has promised 3 card fit. But then... roger had all the info so... :)
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Posted 2010-May-30, 05:29

Texas originally. If partner has a stiff heart then this hand will make him either:
-open 1NT with a stiff less often
-a better declarer

I am OK with both those outcomes.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 06:25

I was referring to the Law of Total Tricks once partner accepts the transfer but I'll refrain from using such titles in the future if it upsets people :)
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Posted 2010-May-30, 06:39

I'd transfer but bid 4H once partner bids 2H freely.

I agree that this has nothing to do with the Law.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 08:14

Little Kid, on May 29 2010, 09:23 PM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

1NT-(Pass)-?

What is your bid now? Texas or Transfer?

If you transfer then it goes:
1NT-(Pass)-2♦-(X)
2♥*- (3♦) - ?

*2♥: 3♥ and ♦ stopper

Changed your mind yet?

I suspect this is worthy of a transfer and an invite but would need to see a simul to see if the odds are close to right
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Posted 2010-May-30, 08:21

Unfortunately, I am trapped by style and cannot bid 2D, then bid 4H if I find out partner has 3 of them. Failure to Texas the first time makes the delay action a mild slam try. So, back to transfer and invite.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 19:23

hanp, on May 30 2010, 07:39 PM, said:

I'd transfer but bid 4H once partner bids 2H freely.

I agree that this has nothing to do with the Law.

Doesn't upset anyone, and I think we all knew it referred to the Lott. However, the hand and the sequence have nothing to do with Lott.
Yes the op did edit the post after answers were posted. My answer is still the same.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 19:38

I didn't edit anything, the hidden part has been there the whole time.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 19:51

Little Kid, on May 31 2010, 08:38 AM, said:

I didn't edit anything, the hidden part has been there the whole time.

OK sorry, didn't see it. I think there are some others in the same boat.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 01:20

Hi,

I want to play game, i.e. I take the route, which does show exactly this,
for most this would be Texas.

If you have choosen the way in the hidden part, ..., bid game, as long as
p understands, that this is not a slam invite, lets say, the know 6-3 fit
made your hand worth a game try.

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Posted 2010-May-31, 03:44

I'd just transfer and invite, I have to do something.

Now that partner has a ♦ stopper, I still don't like my hand (he shouldn't have the ♦A) because I lack short suits. I'll just bid 3♥.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 07:31

Why should partner not have the ace, and why would having the king be bad. It would likely be well placed. AQ would be even better. And given that we have at least a 5-3 fit, I don't think it is useful to know if partner has J10xx of diamonds.

I was going to invite, but after 3D the invite is no longer possible. Since the news has been fairly good, I'd bid game.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 07:56

hanp, on May 31 2010, 02:31 PM, said:

Why should partner not have the ace, and why would having the king be bad. It would likely be well placed. AQ would be even better. And given that we have at least a 5-3 fit, I don't think it is useful to know if partner has J10xx of diamonds.

I was going to invite, but after 3D the invite is no longer possible. Since the news has been fairly good, I'd bid game.

With the Ace he'd rather RDbl to rightside in case the hand with ♥ has ♦Qx. AQ is possible ofcourse...
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Posted 2010-May-31, 16:54

Little Kid, on May 30 2010, 07:25 AM, said:

I was referring to the Law of Total Tricks once partner accepts the transfer but I'll refrain from using such titles in the future if it upsets people :P

I think nobody was "upset". You just needed to be told that The Law has nothing to do with this hand.

I transfer and bid again if forced to or given the chance.
When partner volunteers the 2H bid, I go to game.
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