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When a call has no upper limit in the description it should be forcing. Today I had the sequence
1c-1d-p-1s (1s explained something like 4+s, 7+points)
I guess the answer is that it's NF unless it's clearly written that it's forcing but I really think that whenever a call is NF it should have an upper limit.
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forcing or non forcing?
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Posted 2010-May-27, 16:43
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 18:55
I don't think this is on point, but then I don't think I know the point.
Anyway, I liked a frequent auction that I used to have with an old system I used to play.
Opener: 1♦ (3+ diamonds, 8-22 HCP)
Responder: 1M (4+ in major, 3-15 HCP, non-forcing)
Opener: Pass
So, the partnership at the 1♠ call could have anywhere from a combined 11 HCP to a combined 37 HCP, but the auction is non-forcing.
Not sure if that helps.
Anyway, I liked a frequent auction that I used to have with an old system I used to play.
Opener: 1♦ (3+ diamonds, 8-22 HCP)
Responder: 1M (4+ in major, 3-15 HCP, non-forcing)
Opener: Pass
So, the partnership at the 1♠ call could have anywhere from a combined 11 HCP to a combined 37 HCP, but the auction is non-forcing.
Not sure if that helps.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 20:19
That doesn't really help. Responder is non-forcing because he has an upper limit. Opener with 8 HCP knows that game is unlikely, and he presumably only passes with a dead minimum.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 20:35
Shouldn't that still be forcing since responder while limited points has unlimited hearts (of course fine detail on bidding system might place limits)?
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Posted 2010-May-27, 20:39
A responder with an extremely long suit can probably upgrade their hand and make a stronger bid than 1M.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 06:21
OK, how about this one? A pro I know played with a client, using a strong 1♣ system.
He opened 1♣, which was explained as strong and forcing.
The auction went 1♣-P-P-P.
The opponents were cold for game in some suit.
When the opponents complained, the client responded that she said it was forcing, and if they could not understand that, then that was their fault. They should not have passed a forcing bid!
Does that help?
He opened 1♣, which was explained as strong and forcing.
The auction went 1♣-P-P-P.
The opponents were cold for game in some suit.
When the opponents complained, the client responded that she said it was forcing, and if they could not understand that, then that was their fault. They should not have passed a forcing bid!
Does that help?
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Posted 2010-May-28, 06:37
no because it was not the opponent gibs who were complaining but me 
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