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18 points-19 points-and discards Lets examine and ask our selves decision

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Posted 2010-May-14, 01:34

Whether we play 12-14 acol-15-17/18 sayc-and 2n/t 19/20.Acol/Sayc
The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree.either missed games/or stretched to far.
Now we have the 2n/t openings good 19/bad 19 either missing game or stretched to far.
BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.
agree ,they are decisions,anylyse your own results % wise, are we happy with the opening bids??? OVERALL
TOPIC LEADS & DISCARDS----sayc common is low enc on leads--ok,but many use,count,and opposite. DISCARDS----sayc is low= no help,again many use count and opposite/Example o/e.How many times when pard opens you as responder have passed,and opps in low level contract,your pard on lead,how do you help him,apart from being a Wooden top,but you may have a little and still could not bid VULN is against you.
THIS IS WHAT THE GAME OF BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT..
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Posted 2010-May-14, 07:08

pirate22, on May 14 2010, 02:34 AM, said:

Whether we play 12-14 acol-15-17/18 sayc-and 2n/t 19/20.Acol/Sayc
The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree.either missed games/or stretched to far.
Now we have the 2n/t openings good 19/bad 19 either missing game or stretched to far.
BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.
agree ,they are decisions,anylyse your own results % wise, are we happy with the opening bids??? OVERALL
TOPIC LEADS & DISCARDS----sayc common is low enc on leads--ok,but many use,count,and opposite. DISCARDS----sayc is low= no help,again many use count and opposite/Example o/e.How many times when pard opens you as responder have passed,and opps in low level contract,your pard on lead,how do you help him,apart from being a Wooden top,but you may have a little and still could not bid VULN is against you.
THIS IS WHAT THE GAME OF BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT..
Regards

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Posted 2010-May-14, 07:23

pirate22, on May 14 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

Whether we play 12-14 acol-15-17/18 sayc-and 2n/t 19/20.Acol/Sayc
The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree.either missed games/or stretched to far.
Now we have the 2n/t openings good 19/bad 19 either missing game or stretched to far.
BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.
agree ,they are decisions,anylyse your own results % wise, are we happy with the opening bids??? OVERALL
TOPIC LEADS & DISCARDS----sayc common is low enc on leads--ok,but many use,count,and opposite. DISCARDS----sayc is low= no help,again many use count and opposite/Example o/e.How many times when pard opens you as responder have passed,and opps in low level contract,your pard on lead,how do you help him,apart from being a Wooden top,but you may have a little and still could not bid VULN is against you.
THIS IS WHAT THE GAME OF BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT..
Regards

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Posted 2010-May-14, 09:33

pirate22, on May 14 2010, 01:34 AM, said:

BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.

Truer words may or may not have never been spoken.
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Posted 2010-May-14, 10:13

pirate22, on May 14 2010, 02:34 AM, said:

Whether we play 12-14 acol-15-17/18 sayc-and 2n/t 19/20.Acol/Sayc
The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree.either missed games/or stretched to far.
Now we have the 2n/t openings good 19/bad 19 either missing game or stretched to far.
BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.
agree ,they are decisions,anylyse your own results % wise, are we happy with the opening bids??? OVERALL
TOPIC LEADS & DISCARDS----sayc common is low enc on leads--ok,but many use,count,and opposite.    DISCARDS----sayc is low= no help,again many use count and opposite/Example o/e.How many times when pard opens you as responder have passed,and opps in low level contract,your pard on lead,how do you help him,apart from being a Wooden top,but  you may have a little and still could not bid VULN is against you.
THIS IS WHAT THE GAME OF BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT..
Regards

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Posted 2010-May-14, 11:15

hrothgar, on May 14 2010, 05:23 AM, said:

pirate22, on May 14 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

Whether we play 12-14 acol-15-17/18 sayc-and 2n/t 19/20.Acol/Sayc
The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree.either missed games/or stretched to far.
Now we have the 2n/t openings good 19/bad 19 either missing game or stretched to far.
BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.
agree ,they are decisions,anylyse your own results % wise, are we happy with the opening bids??? OVERALL
TOPIC LEADS & DISCARDS----sayc common is low enc on leads--ok,but many use,count,and opposite.    DISCARDS----sayc is low= no help,again many use count and opposite/Example o/e.How many times when pard opens you as responder have passed,and opps in low level contract,your pard on lead,how do you help him,apart from being a Wooden top,but  you may have a little and still could not bid VULN is against you.
THIS IS WHAT THE GAME OF BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT..
Regards

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That's unfair, Mike777 is MUCH easier to comprehend than pirate22. I want to see a conversation between pirate and shubi.
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Posted 2010-May-14, 12:49

Could Pirate22 be related to Jedi trainer Joda?
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Posted 2010-May-14, 14:07

Hi:

Try a Big club system.

I use 14-16NT and 1C-1D-1NT=17-19

Lots of room for transfers, stayman and others 'toys.'

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Posted 2010-May-14, 15:06

The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree? That his question.
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Posted 2010-May-14, 16:39

Hi:

18 point hands are relatively rare.

I did not notice any special problem. A flat 8 opposite 17 in a 15-17NT is a much more common problem. Go with the odds and pass hoping that no makeable game exists.

If they are balanced and you play some version of 15-17 1NT(or a weak NT and 15-17 1NT rebid) you have to jump to 2NT to show 18-19 using standard methods.

You can try a 2C* rebid(that can rebid to show strong hands), however, that only delays the problem.

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Posted 2010-May-17, 18:36

Elianna, on May 14 2010, 06:15 PM, said:

hrothgar, on May 14 2010, 05:23 AM, said:

pirate22, on May 14 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

Whether we play 12-14 acol-15-17/18 sayc-and 2n/t 19/20.Acol/Sayc
The 18 point hands and there are many, good 18-bad 18,lots of trouble do you agree.either missed games/or stretched to far.
Now we have the 2n/t openings good 19/bad 19 either missing game or stretched to far.
BBO bridge partnerships are, we alert to self destruct,one way or another.
agree ,they are decisions,anylyse your own results % wise, are we happy with the opening bids??? OVERALL
TOPIC LEADS & DISCARDS----sayc common is low enc on leads--ok,but many use,count,and opposite.    DISCARDS----sayc is low= no help,again many use count and opposite/Example o/e.How many times when pard opens you as responder have passed,and opps in low level contract,your pard on lead,how do you help him,apart from being a Wooden top,but  you may have a little and still could not bid VULN is against you.
THIS IS WHAT THE GAME OF BRIDGE IS ALL ABOUT..
Regards

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That's unfair, Mike777 is MUCH easier to comprehend than pirate22. I want to see a conversation between pirate and shubi.

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Posted 2010-May-28, 02:03

Well Mike 777 and Shubi(is this Shubi ex E-bridge???).wheel them out
lets get the topic going...
bye the bye many hands with 18 points---------- and many hands with 19 points.
all possible self destruct's
Card play was an aside but also needs prior agreements.
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