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What is this double? What would you do?

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2010-May-27, 10:23

North deals, red vs white, MP's:

1♦ Pa 1♥ X
XX Pa 2♥ 3♣
3♦ Pa 4♦ X
P ???

What hand is West showing? What's the meaning of the second double? What should East bid with:

♠8542
♥732
♦JT2
♣T87

?

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-May-27, 10:34

Hi:

3C limited the hand.

X was penalty.

Pass.

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Posted 2010-May-27, 10:47

The original redouble (support?) preempted me out of the 1♠ takeout of the takeout double. Still partner is hoping I forgot to show my spades, so I will bid them now. He has a mountain 4-2-1-6.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 12:11

I'd try 4♠
OK
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Posted 2010-May-27, 12:13

It's not penalty!
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Posted 2010-May-27, 12:18

partner showed a huge hand with clubs. I suspect he does not have a huge hand with clubs but that is just my cynicism showing. Anyway I will pass, it's matchpoints, sometimes they make, but that's OK. They will almost certainly double anything I bid now and they will almost certainly beat us.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 12:22

gwnn, on May 27 2010, 12:18 PM, said:

They will almost certainly double anything I bid now and they will almost certainly beat us.

I completely disagree
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Posted 2010-May-27, 12:35

Its to pay 510 :)
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Posted 2010-May-27, 12:44

Partner does not have 4 spades lol.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 15:45

This is 100 % penalty not in the "I have trump tricks" sense, but the "i have so much that I know they are down" sense. Partner never has 4 spades.
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Posted 2010-May-27, 16:01

Interesting. So how should West's hand be bid then?

♠AKQx
♥xx
♦---
♣AKJxxxxx

I thought the double was not a good decision, but I wasn't sure.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-May-28, 02:17

4♠ for me
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Posted 2010-May-28, 04:16

I would have passed the double with the East hand and bid 4♠ on the West hand.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 04:21

bid 4S or 5C, never double. How many tricks do you have?! As I said, partner will almost always pass it.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 07:38

When/How is 4225-19+ separated from 4206-17+? Seems never, so how reasonably to decide penalties verses bid 4S? By guess and by golly?
Does X and later X and (I assume) later 3rd X promise 4xS? Or just pick something?
Seems very likely this bal big wasn't separated from distr big. Not well thought out.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 07:53

I think it asks me to bid something, so I'll bid 4♠. Not sure however...
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