[mohitz]

How do you bid game forcing hands with 6m and 4M over 1NT? What about 6m and 4om?

Transfer into minor and new suit = shortness for us. Is this the best treatment?

[mike777]

basic answer....6minor...4 major

I bid stayman and if pard does not bid my major then minor as natural and game force....
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with both minors I might try mss.

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in both cases....I cannot promise a 6 card minor...

[aguahombre]

mike777, on May 21 2010, 08:49 PM, said:

basic answer....6minor...4 major

I bid stayman and if pard does not bid my major  then minor as natural and game force....
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with both minors I might try mss.

yup on 4M, 6m
with 6-4 in minors, might sign off in minor or blast 3NT.

[mike777]

with game force we need to game force..

[spotlight7]

Hi:

Transfer to the minor and transfer to the major next.

With 6m-4m hand, transfer to the 6m and rebid 3S* showing 6-4 hand.

Regards,
Robert

[Free]

Stayman followed by 3m is pretty standard (might depend on the country you live in, obviously).

If you want more options, you can use Stayman followed by 3m as a puppet. In the 3♦ puppet you can put the 4M-6m hands, while you'll still have the 3♣ puppet available for at least 3 hand types.

[helene_t]

Yeah, most play stayman followed by 3m as natural and forcing.

Not sure if this is optimal. Stayman followed by 3♣ could also be minor suit ask, or, alternatively, invitational. Playing a weak notrump I am sure I would prefer 3m to be NF. Playing a strong NT I am not sure.

[kgr]

Free, on May 22 2010, 01:11 PM, said:

Stayman followed by 3m is pretty standard (might depend on the country you live in, obviously).

If you want more options, you can use Stayman followed by 3m as a puppet. In the 3♦ puppet you can put the 4M-6m hands, while you'll still have the 3♣ puppet available for at least 3 hand types.

or read you blog and transfer to the 4 card and bid the 6c afterwards.

[Fluffy]

mohitz, on May 22 2010, 02:45 AM, said:

Transfer into minor and new suit = shortness for us. Is this the best treatment?

IMO yes it is, however I play a small improvement:

1NT-2♠!
3♣-3NT= diamond shortness (4♦= diamond shortness stronger)

1NT-2♠!
3♣-3♦ = both minors.

[kenrexford]

kgr, on May 22 2010, 08:20 AM, said:

Free, on May 22 2010, 01:11 PM, said:

Stayman followed by 3m is pretty standard (might depend on the country you live in, obviously).

If you want more options, you can use Stayman followed by 3m as a puppet.  In the 3♦ puppet you can put the 4M-6m hands, while you'll still have the 3♣ puppet available for at least 3 hand types.

or read you blog and transfer to the 4 card and bid the 6c afterwards.

I played that for a while 10 years ago. Worked fairly well.

My favorite auction, just because it tickled me, was:

1NT-P-2♦-P-
3♥(5-card support, maximum)-all pass

Not too often that you get a 5-card super-accept with a maximum and pass, but +140 was the result.

[Bende]

I play:

1NT - 2♣; <response> - 3♣ (=relay); 3♦ (=forced) - 4m = game forcing with 6+m and I pick up if partner has four cards in my major on the way

1NT - 2♠ (=minor suit ask); 2NT/3♣ - 4m = game forcing with 6m and 4om

[ONEferBRID]

mohitz, on May 21 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

How do you bid game forcing hands with 6m and 4M over 1NT? What about 6m and 4om?

Transfer into minor and new suit = shortness for us. Is this the best treatment?

To cover the situations you asked for, you need to agree on a structure over 1NT openings.
For example, you would need ( and I'm not saying this is best):
1) 4-suit transfers; then

1NT - 2S! ( transfer to Cl )
2NT or 3C ( normally 2NT being a "preaccept ) - ??
............3C or pass = 6 cd bust
........... 3D = cuebid, slammish whereas
............3H/3S = 4 card suit, slammish, 5+Cl

Likewise
1NT - 2NT! ( transfer to Diam )
.......... etc

2) Use ALL of the 3-level jumps for hands w/ BOTH minors :
1NT - 3C! = minor bust ( 5/5)+

1NT - 3D! = GF ( 5/5)+ and slam interest

1NT - 3H! = GF, 5+/4 either way, Ht shortness

1NT - 3S! = GF, 5+/4 either way, Sp shortness

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Summary: thanks to PriorKnowledge...

[jjbrr]

Bende, on May 24 2010, 01:54 AM, said:

I play:

1NT - 2♣; <response> - 3♣ (=relay); 3♦ (=forced) - 4m = game forcing with 6+m and I pick up if partner has four cards in my major on the way

1NT - 2♠ (=minor suit ask); 2NT/3♣ - 4m = game forcing with 6m and 4om

A new application of the "We should be in 3NT" convention.

[awm]

Sam and I play the following:

With 4M-6♣ and game force, we transfer to the major, then bid 2NT transfer to clubs, then bid 3♦ showing either 5M-5♣ or 4M-6♣ and game forcing values. At this point opener can bid 3♥ to ask (usually promising 3-card major support or a serious problem in at least one unbid suit), over which 3♠ shows the 5-5, 3NT shows the 4-6 without strong slam aspirations, and bids above 3NT show 4-6 and substantial extras.

With 4M-6♦ and game force, we transfer to the major, then bid 3♦ directly showing either 5M-5♦ or 4M-6♦ and game values. Opener's followups are the same as above.

With 6m-4om, there are several options. We can certainly blast 3NT. We can transfer to the six card minor and then bid 3NT as a "mild slam try" in the minor. We can transfer to the six-card minor and then bid a major, which shows 5+ in the minor transferred to and shortness in the unbid major, with nominally a 3-card fragment in the major bid (but we might fudge it on Hx with an otherwise hard to describe hand). We can transfer to the minor and then bid 4♣, which shows exactly 6-4 in the minors (longer minor is the one transferred to) but this bypasses 3NT and thus should be reserved for hands with real slam interest.

[Fluffy]

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