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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-May-18, 13:57

partner opens 3d unfav 1st and you

AQx
Axxx
xx
AJxx
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Posted 2010-May-18, 14:13

gwnn, on May 18 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

partner opens 3d unfav 1st and you

AQx
Axxx
xx
AJxx

is this MP or IMPs? (This is not a yes/no question it is an MP/IMPs question :P )
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Posted 2010-May-18, 14:16

oh imps. right.
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Posted 2010-May-18, 14:34

gwnn, on May 18 2010, 03:16 PM, said:

oh imps. right.

since partner has 8 tricks and I have 3.5 i will settle for 5♦
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Posted 2010-May-18, 14:43

pooltuna, on May 18 2010, 03:34 PM, said:

since partner has 8 tricks and I have 3.5 i will settle for 5♦

:blink:

I pass. Playing 3♦ or defending a major is OK. Game seems unlikely.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 02:26

billw55, on May 18 2010, 03:43 PM, said:

pooltuna, on May 18 2010, 03:34 PM, said:

since partner has 8 tricks and I have 3.5 i will settle for 5♦

:)

I pass. Playing 3♦ or defending a major is OK. Game seems unlikely.

So partner doesn't get dealt AKxxxxx or AQJxxxx very often then ?

The problem here is that if partner has the AD, 3N will play OK most of the time, but if he has KQJ it will be horrible most of the time. 5D is unlikely to make although by no means impossible (x, x, KQJxxxx, 109xx type holding).

You're on a coin flip here really, P or 3N look the best bids.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 03:16

I try 3NT.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 03:50

3NT.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 04:58

3NT

That second diamond is really, really nice.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2010-May-19, 07:19

Think it's a "what's partner's style?" issue to help choose between pass and 3NT. It seems most people I know make reasonable r/w 1st preempts so I would 3NT it.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 07:23

billw55, on May 18 2010, 03:43 PM, said:

pooltuna, on May 18 2010, 03:34 PM, said:

since partner has 8 tricks and I have 3.5 i will settle for 5♦

:(

I pass. Playing 3♦ or defending a major is OK. Game seems unlikely.

unless you are used to habitually throwing yourself off of a cliff normally at these colors (unfavorable) and scoring (IMPS) you are very cautious with your preempts as the opps tend to get trigger-happy
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Posted 2010-May-19, 07:32

So is x x KQJ10xxx J10xx a 3D opening for you, red against white at IMPs? If not I would suggest you are preempting too conservatively.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 08:20

meh. i've gone down in 3NT before, I'll survive going down once more.
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Posted 2010-May-19, 10:07

hanp, on May 19 2010, 08:32 AM, said:

So is x x KQJ10xxx J10xx a 3D opening for you, red against white at IMPs? If not I would suggest you are preempting too conservatively.

OP hand was AQx Axxx xx AJxx so I can't hold the JTxx but with T98x I seem to have fair chances in 5♦
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Posted 2010-May-19, 10:18

3N.

Right with AK-7th, AQ(J) 7th, maybe AJT-7th or AJ-8th, maybe KQ-8th. Wrong with KQJ-7th, QJ-8th. It is also right when pard has an outside King as an entry, which is very possible at these colors.

Frankly unless pard has very skewed shape, no entry, and the 'wrong' suit, is 5♦ better.
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